“efendant used no formal procedures for posting notice of available promotions or for determining who would be offered the promotion. instead, the company relied on 'word of mouth' and informal review procedures.”
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Ellison v. Darden Restaurants, Inc.
S.D. Miss. · 1999 · signal: but cf. · confidence high
See Bernard v. Gulf Oil Corp., 643 F.Supp. 1494, 1505 (E.D.Tex.1986) (holding that plaintiffs failure to make request for promotion precluded plaintiff from establishing prima facie case), rev’d in part on other grounds, 841 F.2d 547 (5th Cir.1988); but cf. Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1134 (11th Cir.1984) (holding that prima facie case may be established where employee does not have notice or opportunity to apply for pro motion).
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Scott v. United Parcel Service
M.D. Fla. · 2021 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote
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tatistics can be relevant and important in an individual case. . . . but statistics alone cannot make a case of individual disparate treatment.
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David Ojeda-Sanchez v. Carmelo Hernandez-Rubio
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11th Cir. · 2012 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote
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the court did not explain how it had arrived at the 20 cents an hour figure.
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Lisa M. Holland v. David A. Gee
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11th Cir. · 2012 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote
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we are mindful . . . that when a disparate treatment case is fully tried . . . both the trial and the appellate courts should proceed directly to the ultimate question in the case.
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Howard Lockridge v. Bd. of Trustees etc.
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8th Cir. · 2003 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote
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efendant used no formal procedures for posting notice of available promotions or for determining who would be offered the promotion. instead, the company relied on 'word of mouth' and informal review procedures.
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Howard Lockridge v. Bd. of Trustees etc.
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8th Cir. · 2002 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote
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defendant used no formal procedures for posting notice of available promotions or for determining who would be offered the promotion. instead, the company relied on 'word of mouth' and informal review procedures
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Nicole L. McGuire v. Harford County
D. Maryland · 2026 · confidence medium
Where, as here, “a decision-maker disseminates information about available positions through informal channels,” a plaintiff may allege a prima facie case by showing “that the company had some reason or duty to consider [her] for the post.” Walker, 286 F.3d at 1275–76 (quoting Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir. 1984)).
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Lawanna Tynes v. Florida Department of Juvenile Justice
11th Cir. · 2023 · confidence medium
For these reasons, we have repeatedly emphasized that after a trial we “should not revisit whether the plaintiff established a prima facie case.” Cleveland v. Home Shopping Network, Inc., 369 F.3d 1189, 1194 (11th Cir. 2004); see also, e.g., Holland v. Gee, 677 F.3d 1047, 1056 (11th Cir. 2012); Collado v. United Parcel Serv., Co., 419 F.3d 1143, 1150 (11th Cir. 2005); Tidwell v. Carter Prods., 135 F.3d 1422 , 1426 n.1 (11th Cir. 1998); Richardson v. Leeds Police Dep’t, 71 F.3d 801 , 806 (11th Cir. 1995); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1129 (11th Cir. 1984).
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Equal Employment Opportunity Commission v. Ferman Management Services Corporation
M.D. Fla. · 2023 · confidence medium
Indeed, when a disparate treatment lawsuit like this action is fully tried, a court reviewing the verdict “should proceed directly to the ‘ultimate question’ in the case: ‘whether the defendant intentionally discriminated against the plaintiff.’” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1129 (11th Cir. 1984) (quoting U.S. Postal Serv.
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McCreight v. AuburnBank
M.D. Ala. · 2022 · confidence medium
While this statistic is “relevant and important . . . statistics alone cannot make a case of individual disparate treatment.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1132 (11th Cir. 1984).
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Harris v. Florida Tourism Industry Marketing Corporation,Inc.
M.D. Fla. · 2022 · confidence medium
Cases in the Eleventh Circuit “are clear, however, that ‘statistics alone cannot make a case of individual disparate treatment.’” Carter v. Three Springs Residential Treatment, 132 F.3d 635 , 642 n.5 (11th Cir. 1998) (quoting Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir. 1984)); see Oliver v. VSoft Corp., No. 1:09-CV-0185-CAP-WEJ, 2010 WL 11505776 , at *11 (N.D.
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Weatherington v. Dothan City Board of Education
M.D. Ala. · 2020 · confidence medium
See Schoenfeld v. Babbitt, 168 F.3d 1257, 1266 (11th Cir. 1999); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir. 1984).
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Santiago v. Meyer Tool Incorporated
S.D. Ohio · 2020 · confidence medium
Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir. 1984) (discussing statistics in Title VII race discrimination claims).
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Turner v. Alabama Agricultural and Mechanical University
N.D. Ala. · 2019 · confidence medium
In such a case, a plaintiff can make out a prima facie case as “long as [s]he establishes that the [employer] had some reason or duty to consider [her] for the post.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir. 1984) (emphasis added).
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Myra Furcron v. Mail Centers Plus, LLC
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11th Cir. · 2019 · confidence medium
Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1136 (11th Cir. 1984).
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Ronnie Smith v. Thomasville Georgia
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11th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
We held that in those circumstances a plaintiff makes out a prima facie case “as long as he establishes that the [employer] had some reason or duty to consider him for the post.” Id. at 1133.
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Stephanie Hicks v. City of Tuscaloosa, Alabama
11th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
Put another way, the issue is whether there is ‘a convincing mosaic of circumstantial evidence, that would allow, a. jury to infer intentional discrimination.’” See Holland v. Gee, 677 F.3d 1047, 1056-57 (11th Cir. 2012) (internal citation and quotation marks omitted); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1129 (11th Cir. 1984).
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Williams v. VWR International, LLC
11th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
In Smith, we distinguished the prior ease of Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir. 1984), which “involved a system where there was no formal notice of jobs, and the company relied on word of mouth and informal review procedures,” and thus the plaintiff “had no way of knowing about [a specific job’s] availability.” Smith, 352 F.3d at 1346 .
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Valley v. Ocean Sky Limo
S.D. Fla. · 2015 · confidence medium
Finally, “[t]he court does not have to accept uncon-tradicted evidence [on the hourly rate] if there is a reason for rejecting it.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1137 (11th Cir.1984) (citing King v. McCord, 707 F.2d 466, 468 (11th Cir.1983)).
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Crane v. Holder
N.D. Ala. · 2014 · confidence medium
Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-34 (11th Cir.1984) (emphasis added); see also, Walker v. Prudential Prop. & Cas.
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Karl Tartt v. Wilson County, Tennessee
6th Cir. · 2014 · confidence medium
Co., 892 F.2d at 350 (finding in a disparate treatment case that plaintiffs established • a prima facie case where they had applied to specific positions through appropriate channels and were repeatedly passed over for white applicants who were hired by word of mouth); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir.1984) (finding in a disparate treatment case that an employer “has a duty to consider all those who might reasonably be interested” where the record clearly showed that the plaintiff had repeatedly communicated his interest in a specific job to the employer …
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Fred Beebe v. City of San Antonio Through Its Agent, City Public Service Board of San Antonio D/B/A CPS Energy
Tex. App. · 2014 · confidence medium
Id.; Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1132-33 (11th Cir. 1984). -5- 04-13-00134-CV the [employer’s] reasons are pretextual.” Gladden-Green v. Freescale Semiconductor, Inc., No. 03-11-00468-CV, 2013 WL 6175622 , at *6 (Tex. App.—Austin Nov. 20, 2013, no pet.) (citing Amburgey v. Corhart Refractories Corp., Inc., 936 F.2d 805, 813 (5th Cir. 1991)).
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Leanne Renee Kidd v. Mando American Corporation
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11th Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
In Jones v. Firestone Tire & Rubber Co., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992), we reiterated that when an employer does not formally announce that it is seeking to hire for a vacant position within the company, the plaintiff need not advance evidence that she applied for the vacant position to state a prima facie case.' Under these circumstances, an employer “has a duty to consider all those who might reasonably be interested, as well as those who have learned of the job opening and expressed an interest." Id. (quoting Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-34 (11th Cir.1984)).
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Fulton v. Department of Social & Health Services
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Wash. Ct. App. · 2012 · confidence medium
In Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir. 1984), the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals noted that such informal procedures could lead to discrimination because important information about available promotions could be limited to a segment of the workforce, and such procedures do not place a “check” on individual decision-maker biases. 24 Under such circumstances, the court held that (1) a plaintiff could make out a prima facie case and create a presumption of discrimination as long as the plaintiff proved that his employer had “some reason or duty to consider …
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Perez-Dickson v. City of Bridgeport
Conn. · 2012 · confidence medium
Unless the plaintiffs can show that the defendants' explanations are inherently suspect or can present other direct or circumstantial evidence suggesting that the proffered reasons are not true, then the defendants are entitled to summary judgment." [Emphasis in original.]), cert. denied, 498 U.S. 878 , 111 S.Ct. 211 , 112 L.Ed.2d 171 (1990); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir.1984) ("statistics alone cannot make a case of individual disparate treatment"); Hudson v. International Business Machines Corp., 620 F.2d 351, 355 (2d Cir.1980) (statistics, standing alone…
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Holland v. Gee
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11th Cir. · 2012 · confidence medium
Put another way, the issue is whether there is “a convincing mosaic of circumstantial evidence that would allow a jury to infer intentional discrimination.” Id. at 1328 (quotation marks and footnote omitted). 2 We have recognized that “[a]fter a trial on the merits, [we] should not revisit whether the plaintiff established a prima facie case.” Cleveland v. Home Shopping Network, Inc., 369 F.3d 1189, 1194 (11th Cir.2004); accord Tidwell v. Carter Prods., 135 F.3d 1422 , 1426 n. 1 (11th Cir.1998) (“Our task is not to revisit whether the plaintiff below successfully established a prima …
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Matthews v. City of West Point
N.D. Miss. · 2012 · confidence medium
"Where the plaintiff claims discrimination in promotion on the basis that jobs for which she was qualified were never posted or otherwise opened for formal applications, she must establish that the company had some reason or duty to consider h[im] for the post.” Jones v. Flagship International, 793 F.2d 714, 724 (5th Cir. 1986) (citing Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Worlts, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir. 1984)).
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Thomas v. Austal, U.S.A., L.L.C.
S.D. Ala. · 2011 · confidence medium
Jones v. Firestone Tire and Rubber Co., Inc., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-1134 (11th Cir.1984).
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Johnson v. AUSTAL, USA, LLC
S.D. Ala. · 2011 · confidence medium
Jones v. Firestone Tire and Rubber Co., Inc., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-1134 (11th Cir.1984). 1.
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Johnson v. Austal, U.S.A., L.L.C.
S.D. Ala. · 2011 · confidence medium
Jones v. Firestone Tire and Rubber Co., Inc., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-1134 (11th Cir.1984). 1.
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Hedgeman v. Austal, U.S.A., L.L.C.
S.D. Ala. · 2011 · confidence medium
Jones v. Firestone Tire and Rubber Co., Inc., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-1134 (11th Cir.1984).
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Lane v. CAPITAL ACQUISITIONS AND MANAGEMENT CO.
S.D. Fla. · 2008 · confidence medium
Finally, “[t]he court does not have to accept uncontradicted evidence [on the hourly rate] if there is a reason for rejecting-it.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1137 (11th Cir.1984) (citing King v. McCord, 707 F.2d 466, 468 (11th Cir.1983)).
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Luyen Huu Nguyen v. William Joiner Center for the Study of War & Social Consequences
Mass. · 2007 · confidence medium
See Winbush v. State, 66 F.3d 1471, 1479-1481 (8th Cir. 1995) (concluding that plaintiffs were excused from applying for promotion where employer’s promotion policy had been found to reflect “systematic and purposeful [racial] discrimination],” and was occasioned by racial slurs and degrading treatment to only African-American employees); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-1134 (11th Cir. 1984) (concluding, in failure to promote case, that plaintiff was not required to request specific job where plaintiff had no way of knowing about its availability because employer …
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Davis v. Valley Hospitality Services, LLC
11th Cir. · 2006 · confidence medium
Although we have noted that the lack of an application for a specific job would not defeat a failure to hire claim where the plaintiff applied for "work” but was initially told that no full-time positions were available, we explained that the plaintiff learned of the possibility of a position "by word of mouth” and that "[t]he defendant did not advertise its job openings.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1129, 1132 (11th Cir.1984).
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Emmanuel Joseph v. Publix Super Markets, Inc.
11th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
“Unless the individual plaintiff can point to some specific instance of discrimination, there is no wrong for the court to remedy.” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir.1984).
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Davis v. Valley Hospitality Services, LLC.
M.D. Ga. · 2005 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
Cf. Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1132 (11th Cir.1984) (refusing to require plaintiff to apply for a job when he had no way of knowing about its availability).
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Everett v. State of MS
5th Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
Dick Co., 231 F.3d 1016, 1021-22 (6th Cir.2000) (following Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1132-33 (11th Cir.1984)).
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Jeanne Smith v. J. Smith Lanier & Co.
11th Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
Moreover, Smith advances no evidence suggesting it was JSL’s policy or practice to transfer individuals to vacant positions who had not first specifically applied for them. 3 *1346 Smith cites Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir.1984), to support her argument that JSL had some reason or duty to consider Smith for other positions, even though Smith never applied for those positions.
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Lockridge v. Board Of Trustees, Of The University Of Arkansas
8th Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
See also EEOC v. Metal Service Co., 892 F.2d 341, 348 (3rd Cir.1990) ("Courts have generally held that the failure to formally apply for a job opening will not bar a Title VII plaintiff from establishing a prima facie claim of discriminatory hiring, as long as the plaintiff made every reasonable attempt to convey his interest in the job to the employer."); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir.1984) ("[D]efendant used no formal procedures for posting notice of available promotions or for determining who would be offered the promotion.
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Wendell Lyons Donald Tate Robert L. Claiborne Rosevelt Willson v. Gordon R. England, Secretary of the Navy
9th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
See Fadhl v. City and County of San Francisco, 741 F.2d 1163, 1165-66 (9th Cir.1984) (“When an employer’s discriminatory treatment consists of a failure to consider an applicant’s qualifications, or in the use of evaluative criteria that are discriminatory, the applicant need not prove that he or she was qualified to fill the position sought in order to obtain some relief.”), abrogated on other grounds by Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins, 490 U.S. 228 , 109 S.Ct. 1775 , 104 L.Ed.2d 268 (1989); see also Lockridge v. Bd. of Trustees of the Univ. of Ark., 294 F.3d 1010, 1014 (8th Cir.2002) (st…
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Donahoo v. Ohio Department of Youth Services
N.D. Ohio · 2002 · confidence medium
The primary case relied upon in Dews held that the plaintiff did not have to satisfy the “applied for” or “was considered” elements of a prima facie case “when he did not know about it [the vacancy].” Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1132-1133 (11th Cir. 1984); see also Bernard v. Gulf Oil Corp., 841 F.2d 547 (5th Cir.1988) (same).
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Howard Lockridge v. Board Of Trustees, Of The University Of Arkansas
8th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
See Kehoe v. Anheuser-Busch, Inc., 96 F.3d 1095 , 1105 n. 13 (8th Cir.1996) ("the application requirement should be excused because Anheuser had a reason or duty to consider Kehoe for the job.")(citing Shannon v. Ford Motor Co., 72 F.3d 678, 682 (8th Cir.1996) ("It would be ironic ... if a victim of discrimination were unable to vindicate her rights because she had the peculiar misfortune of being discriminated against in a way that necessarily prevented her from making her prima facie case.")); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir.1984) ("defendant used no formal …
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Miller v. Bed, Bath & Beyond, Inc.
N.D. Ala. · 2002 · confidence medium
See Jones v. Firestone Tire and Rubber Co., Inc., 977 F.2d 527, 533 (11th Cir.1992); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133-34 (11th Cir.1984).
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Bennett v. Quark, Inc.
10th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
While the “law does not require that a plaintiff formally apply for the job in question,” the law does require “that the employer be on specific notice that the plaintiff seeks employment or, where informal hiring procedures are used, that the plaintiff be in the group of people who might reasonably be interested in the particular job.” Id. (citing Grant v. Bethlehem Steel, 635 F.2d 1007 , 1017 (2d Cir.1980); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1133 (11th Cir.1984)).
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Richard M. Kadas v. MCI Systemhouse Corporation
7th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
Some cases say yes, Walther v. Lone Star Gas Co., 977 F.2d 161 (5th Cir.1992) (per curiam); MacDissi v. Valmont Industries Inc., supra, 856 F.2d at 1058 ; Chrisner v. Complete Auto Transit, Inc., 645 F.2d 1251 , 1259 n. 7 (6th Cir.1981), Davis v. Califano, 613 F.2d 957, 962 (D.C.Cir.1979); Reed v. Lockheed Aircraft Corp., 613 F.2d 757, 762 (9th Cir. 1980); some no, Kidd v. Illinois State Police, 167 F.3d 1084 , 1101 n. 16 (7th Cir.1999); Smith v. Horner, 839 F.2d 1530 , 1536 n. 8 (11th Cir.1988); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir.1984) — though it is important…
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Kadas, Richard M. v. MCI Systemhouse
7th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
Cir. 1980); Reed v. Lockheed Aircraft Corp., 613 F.2d 757, 762 (9th Cir. 1980); some no, Kidd v. Illinois State Police, 167 F.3d 1084 , 1101 n. 16 (7th Cir. 1999); Smith v. Horner, 839 F.2d 1530 , 1536 n. 8 (11th Cir. 1988); Carmichael v. Birmingham Saw Works, 738 F.2d 1126, 1131 (11th Cir. 1984)--though it is important to note that our own statements of this position, in Kidd and the cases cited there, are brief dicta probably best understood as comments on the weakness of the particular evidence presented in those cases rather than as considered attempts to decide whether statistical evidenc…