18 Unnamed \John Smith\" Prisoners v. Edwin Meese Gerald Shur Norman Carlson Peter Carlson Frank Sizer U.S. Attorney for the Dist. of Arizona, 871 F.2d 881 (1989). · Go Syfert
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cited Cited as authority (rule) Corrine Thomas v. County of Humboldt
9th Cir. · 2024 · confidence medium
If the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.” Id. at 883 (alteration in original) (quoting Thomas v. Union Carbide Agric.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Gethsemani Baptist Church v. San Luis, City of
D. Ariz. · 2024 · confidence medium
Servs., 558 F.3d 1112, 1123 (9th Cir. 2009). 9 “Ripeness doctrine prevents courts, through avoidance of premature adjudication, from 10 entanglement in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact 11 on the parties.” 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 12 1989).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Scott v. United States of America
D. Or. · 2024 · confidence medium
The injury must be “certainly impending[.]” Id. (quoting 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Pham v. Jaddou
S.D. Cal. · 2024 · confidence medium
The requirement 7 that a case or controversy be ripe for adjudication is “peculiarly a question of timing” that 8 “prevents courts, through avoidance of premature adjudication, from entanglement in 9 theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the 10 parties.” 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 11 1989) (citing Thomas v. Union Carbide Agric.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Travis M. Bredhold
Ky. · 2020 · confidence medium
Although we approach the justiciability of these cases under the standing doctrine, application of the related ripeness doctrine has likewise resulted in courts dismissing premature claims and vacating premature decisions in the context of an Eighth Amendment challenge.12 For example, in 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir. 1989), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated a summary judgment in favor of the government in a case involving an Eighth Amendment challenge to a proposed double bunking plan as cruel and unusual punishment.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Travis M. Bredhold
Ky. · 2020 · confidence medium
Although we approach the justiciability of these cases under the standing doctrine, application of the related ripeness doctrine has likewise resulted in courts dismissing premature claims and vacating premature decisions in the context of an Eighth Amendment challenge.12 For example, in 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir. 1989), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated a summary judgment in favor of the government in a case involving an Eighth Amendment challenge to a proposed double bunking plan as cruel and unusual punishment.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Commonwealth of Kentucky v. Efrain Diaz Jr
Ky. · 2020 · confidence medium
Although we approach the justiciability of these cases under the standing doctrine, application of the related ripeness doctrine has likewise resulted in courts dismissing premature claims and vacating premature decisions in the context of an Eighth Amendment challenge.12 For example, in 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir. 1989), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals vacated a summary judgment in favor of the government in a case involving an Eighth Amendment challenge to a proposed double bunking plan as cruel and unusual punishment.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Sidlo v. Kaiser Permanente Insurance Co. (2×) also: Cited "see"
D. Haw. · 2016 · confidence medium
“The Supreme Court has reasoned that ripeness is peculiarly a question of timing.” 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Padres Hacia Una Vida Mejor v. Jackson
E.D. Cal. · 2013 · confidence medium
However, “a litigant need not await the consummation of threatened injury to obtain preventive relief,” rather “[i]f the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.”- Addington v. U.S. Airline Pilots Ass’n, 606 F.3d 1174, 1179-80 (9th Cir.2010); 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Addington v. US AIRLINE PILOTS ASS'N (2×)
9th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
If the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.’ ” Id. (quoting 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989) (emphasis in Streich)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Streich
9th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
If the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.” 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989) (internal quotations and cita- tions omitted) (emphasis added).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Streich
9th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
If the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.” 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989) (internal quotations and citations omitted) (emphasis added).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Flintkote Co. v. General Accident Assurance Co.
N.D. Cal. · 2006 · confidence medium
“Ripeness doctrine protects against premature adjudication of suits in which declaratory relief is sought,” Hodgers-Durgin v. de la Vina, 199 F.3d 1037, 1044 (9th Cir.1999) (en banc), in order to prevent “entanglement in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties.” 18 Unnamed “John Smith’’ Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Santillan v. Gonzales
N.D. Cal. · 2005 · confidence medium
Ripeness “Ripeness doctrine protects against premature adjudication of suits in which declaratory relief is sought,” Hodgers-Durgin v. de la Vina, 199 F.3d 1037, 1044 (9th Cir.1999) (en banc), in order to prevent “entanglement in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties.” 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Krasnoff v. Marshack (In Re General Carriers Corp.)
9th Cir. BAP · 2001 · confidence medium
The ripeness doctrine, which emanates from the Constitution’s justiciability requirements for a “case” or “controversy,” prevents premature appellate adjudication where the controversy presented is theoretical or abstract and does not have a concrete impact on the parties. 18 Unnamed “John Smith" Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Neal v. Shimoda
D. Haw. · 1995 · confidence medium
A. Parole Eligibility “The ripeness doctrine prevents courts, through avoidance of premature adjudication, from entanglement in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties.” 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Alfred Swartz v. Ron Angelone Karl L. Sannicks Robin Bates Patricia McGaffin
9th Cir. · 1995 · confidence medium
While the state of Nevada's brief indicates that the embezzlement sentence was to commence in February 1995, this in no way moots Swartz's claim. 7 "The ripeness doctrine prevents courts, through avoidance of premature adjudication, from entanglement in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties." 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) C.H. v. Sullivan (2×) also: Cited "see"
D. Minnesota · 1989 · confidence medium
As an example, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently dismissed a prisoner *733 suit which claimed impending constitutional injury under the eighth amendment and the due process clause of the fifth amendment. 18 Unnamed “John Smith" Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882 (9th Cir.1989).
discussed Cited "see" Philip Grigsby v. Mark Gutierrez
9th Cir. · 2023 · signal: see · confidence high
See 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989) (“The ripeness doctrine prevents courts . . . from entangl[e]ment in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties.” (citing Thomas v. Union Carbide Agric.
cited Cited "see" Quan v. U.S. Bureau of Prisons
9th Cir. · 2010 · signal: see · confidence high
See 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir.1989) (controversy required for claim to be ripe).
cited Cited "see" Jefferson Douglas Walker v. State of California Dan Lungren, Attorney General
9th Cir. · 1998 · signal: see · confidence high
See 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir.1989).
cited Cited "see" Gary St. Hilaire v. Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
9th Cir. · 1995 · signal: see · confidence high
See 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989).
cited Cited "see" William Roger Jones v. Kenneth Ducharme
9th Cir. · 1989 · signal: see · confidence high
See 18 Unnamed "John Smith" Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir.1989) (threatened injury need not be consummated, but must be "certainly impending") (quoting Thomas v. Union Carbide Agric.
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Kee v. United States Fidelity & Guaranty Company
W.D. Wash. · 2025 · signal: see also · confidence medium
See Seattle Times, 2016 WL 3033498 , at *3; see also 2 || 18 Unnamed John Smith Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 883 (9th Cir. 1989). 3 IV CONCLUSION 4 For the foregoing reasons, the Court GRANTS Defendant FFIC’s 12(b)(6) Motion to 5 Dismiss, Dkt. 36, and TIG’s 12(c) Motion to Dismiss, Dkt. 51.
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Cheffer v. Reno
11th Cir. · 1995 · signal: see, e.g. · confidence medium
See, e.g., 18 Unnamed “John Smith” Prisoners v. Meese, 871 F.2d 881, 882-83 (9th Cir.1989) (Eighth Amendment challenge to proposed double bunking plan as cruel and unusual punishment not ripe); Askins v. District of Columbia, 877 F.2d 94, 97-99 (D.C.Cir.1989) (challenge to proposed transfer to another prison facility not ripe).
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18 Unnamed \John Smith\" Prisoners
v.
Edwin Meese Gerald Shur Norman Carlson Peter Carlson Frank Sizer U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona
Director
Federal Bureau of Prisons Peter Carlson

871 F.2d 881

18 UNNAMED "JOHN SMITH" PRISONERS, Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
Edwin MEESE; Gerald Shur; Norman Carlson; Peter Carlson;
Frank Sizer; U.S. Attorney for the District of
Arizona, Defendants-Appellees.
36 UNNAMED "JOHN SMITH" PRISONERS; 5 Unnamed "John & Jan
Smith" Prisoners' Relatives; 1 Unnamed "John
Smith" Prisoner; 1 Unnamed "John Smith"
Prisoner Family, Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
Edwin MEESE, United States Attorney General; Gerald Shur,
Associate Director, Office of Enforcement Operations,
Washington, D.C.; Norman Carlson, Director, Federal Bureau
of Prisons; Peter Carlson, Warden, Federal Correctional
Institution, Phoenix, AZ; Frank Sizer, Unit Manager, Mesa
Unit, Federal Correctional Institution, Phoenix, AZ,
Defendants-Appellees.

Nos. 87-2490, 87-2491.

United States Court of Appeals,
Ninth Circuit.

Argued and Submitted June 16, 1988.
Decided March 31, 1989.

Gary L. Birnbaum & Michael S. Rubin, Mariscal, Weeks, McIntyre & Friedlander, Larry L. Smith, O'Connor, Cavanagh, Anderson, Westover, Killingsworth & Beshears; Jeffrey A. Murphy, Morris, Walker & Mecham, Phoenix, Ariz., for plaintiffs-appellants.

Michael A. Johns and Linda A. Akers, Asst. U.S. Attys., Phoenix, Ariz., for defendants-appellees.

Appeal from the United States District Court for the District of arizona.

Before ALDISERT,[*] BEEZER and O'SCANNLAIN, Circuit Judges.

ORDER

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The appellants' petition for rehearing is granted. Upon reconsideration, our opinion filed July 19, 1988 and published at 851 F.2d 1236 is withdrawn and the attached opinion is substituted.

2

The full court has been advised of the suggestion for rehearing en banc and no judge in active service has requested a vote to rehear the matter en banc.

3

Pursuant to Rule 35(b) of the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure, the suggestion for rehearing en banc is rejected.

OPINION

BEEZER, Circuit Judge:

4

In this consolidated action, inmates and their families (collectively, inmates) attack the validity of proposed double bunking of prisoners housed in the Protective Custody Unit (PCU) at the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) in Phoenix, Arizona. Plaintiff inmates are protected witnesses in the Department of Justice's Witness Protection Program (WITSEC Program), which protects witnesses who have testified against organized crime defendants. The inmates contend that the proposal to house two WITSEC Program inmates in a single cell will reveal their identities, thereby endangering their lives and their relatives' lives. The government filed a motion for dismissal of the complaint which the district court treated as a motion for summary judgment and granted it. The inmates appeal. Because we find that the inmates' claims are not sufficiently ripe for review, we vacate the district court's grant of summary judgment and remand with instructions to dismiss without prejudice.

5

* The inmates complaint, seeking to enjoin the proposed double bunking at the PCU, was filed August 21, 1986. Upon motion, the district court granted a temporary restraining order enjoining the government from double bunking inmates enrolled in the WITSEC Program at the PCU. The district court's order also appointed counsel to represent the inmates and granted the inmates' request to have their initials and identification numbers sealed.

6

On September 22, 1986, the government moved to dismiss. The inmates subsequently filed a cross-motion for summary judgment and response to motion to dismiss. On June 29, 1987, the district court granted the government's motion to dismiss, which it construed as a motion for summary judgment. The court denied the inmates' cross-motion for summary judgment and dissolved the temporary restraining order. The district court reasoned that (1) the Attorney General is vested with broad discretion in administering the WITSEC Program and that double bunking is not prohibited by that Program; (2) double bunking does not constitute infliction of cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the eighth amendment; and (3) by allowing double bunking, the government has not violated its affirmative custodial duty to provide for the inmates' personal security and safety. The inmates timely appeal.

II

7

As a threshold matter, we must determine whether the inmates' claims are sufficiently ripe for review as a concrete case or controversy. Although no actual injury has yet occurred, the inmates seek a permanent injunction against the proposed double bunking at the PCU on the grounds that it would subject them and their relatives to a potentially life-threatening situation. In essence, the inmates also ask the court to find that the proposed double bunking is prohibited by the WITSEC statutes and will be violative of the eighth amendment and the due process clause of the fifth amendment.

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The Supreme Court has reasoned that ripeness is peculiarly a question of timing. Thomas v. Union Carbide Agric. Prods. Co., 473 U.S. 568, 580, 105 S.Ct. 3325, 3332, 87 L.Ed.2d 409 (1985). The ripeness doctrine prevents courts, through avoidance of premature adjudication, from entanglment in theoretical or abstract disagreements that do not yet have a concrete impact on the parties. Id.; Abbott Laboratories v. Gardner, 387 U.S. 136, 148, 87 S.Ct. 1507, 1515, 18 L.Ed.2d 681 (1967); Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes v. Board of Oil and Gas, 792 F.2d 782, 787 (9th Cir.1986). We must evaluate "both the fitness of the issues for judicial decision, and the hardship to the parties of withholding court consideration." Abbott, 387 U.S. at 149, 87 S.Ct. at 1515; see also Thomas, 473 U.S. at 581, 105 S.Ct. at 3333; Trustees for Alaska v. Hodel, 806 F.2d 1378, 1381 (9th Cir.1986). Moreover, we recognize that " '[o]ne does not have to await the consummation of threatened injury to obtain preventive relief. If the injury is certainly impending, that is enough.' " Thomas, 473 U.S. at 581, 105 S.Ct. at 3333 (quoting Regional Rail Reorganization Act Cases, 419 U.S. 102, 143, 95 S.Ct. 335, 358, 42 L.Ed.2d 320 (1974)).

9

In August 1985, the PCU began accepting WITSEC inmates. The single bed capacity of the unit is 56 rooms. In August 1986, the PCU manager informed the WITSEC inmates that some of the cells would be double bunked to allow for additional WITSEC inmates. The PCU had been advised by the Inmate Monitoring Section, Bureau of Prisons in Washington, D.C., that it would be double bunked. The initial plan was to double bunk about six of the 56 cells. The inmates allege an impending constitutional injury under the eighth amendment and the due process clause of the fifth amendment. They also contend that the proposed policy is prohibited by the WITSEC statutes.

10

After carefully reviewing the record we conclude that the effects of the proposed double bunking are speculative. We have no evidence of a concrete injury caused by actual overcrowding, intolerable conditions, deprivations of essential food, inadequate medical care,[1] lack of sanitation, violence, revelation of identity, breach of safety, and the like. Nor can we conjecture with any reasonable measure of assurance what impact the proposed double bunking would have on the inmates. The inmates' claims involve " 'contingent future events that may not occur as anticipated, or indeed not occur at all.' " Thomas, 473 U.S. at 581, 105 S.Ct. at 3333 (quoting 13A C. Wright, A. Miller & E. Cooper, Federal Practice and Procedure Sec. 3532 (1984)). Their claim is not fit for decision since the issues raised require further factual development. Trustees for Alaska, 806 F.2d at 1381; see also Regional Rail, 419 U.S. at 143-44, 95 S.Ct. at 358-59; Pacific Legal Foundation v. State Energy Resources, 659 F.2d 903, 911 (9th Cir.1981), aff'd, 461 U.S. 190, 103 S.Ct. 1713, 75 L.Ed.2d 752 (1983). Accordingly, we conclude that the inmates' claims are not sufficiently concrete to warrant judicial intervention.

11

Because we conclude that this action is not ripe, we vacate the district court's grant of summary judgment in favor of the government and remand this case to the district court with instructions to dismiss the action without prejudice. See, e.g., Shelter Creek Development Corp. v. City of Oxnard, 838 F.2d 375, 375, 377, 380 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, --- U.S. ----, 109 S.Ct. 134, 102 L.Ed.2d 106 (1988).

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VACATED and REMANDED.

*

The Honorable Ruggero J. Aldisert, Senior United States Circuit Judge for the Third Circuit, sitting by designation

1

The inmates draw our attention to isolated incidents of alleged inadequate medical treatment. These incidents do not amount, however, to a showing of deliberate indifference by the PCU staff to the inmates' serious medical needs. Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97, 104, 97 S.Ct. 285, 291, 50 L.Ed.2d 251 (1976). Moreover, what future impact double bunking would have on medical care is conjectural