Jose Ernesto Flores v. John Ashcroft, Attorney Gen. of the United States, 350 F.3d 666 (7th Cir. 2003). · Go Syfert
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“this is not a quantitative line ('how many newtons makes a touching violent?') but a qualitative one.”
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discussed Cited "but see" LaGuerre v. Mukasey (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
7th Cir. · 2008 · signal: but see · confidence high
See United States v. Franco-Fernandez, 511 F.3d 768, 770-71 (7th Cir.2008); but see Flores, 350 F.3d at 669 -71 (citing United States v. Howze, 343 F.3d 919, 923 (7th Cir.2003)) (noting a limited exception, not applicable here, for laws that define two different acts as the same crime, and just one contains the elements of a crime of violence).
discussed Cited "but see" LaGuerre, Gary v. Mukasey, Michael B. (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
7th Cir. · 2008 · signal: but see · confidence high
See United States v. Franco-Fernandez, 511 F.3d 768, 770-71 (7th Cir. 2008); but see Flores, 350 F.3d at 669 - 71 (citing United States v. Howze, 343 F.3d 919, 923 (7th 4 No. 06-4164 Cir. 2003)) (noting a limited exception, not applicable here, for laws that define two different acts as the same crime, and just one contains the elements of a crime of violence).
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Douglas (3×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see, e.g."
N.D. Ind. · 2016 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
bjoth touching and injury have a logical relation to the 'use of physical force' ....
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Marquez (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
S.D. Tex. · 2016 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
this is not a quantitative line ('how many newtons makes a touching violent?') but a qualitative one.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Pimental
1st Cir. · 2026 · confidence medium
The Supreme Court has held that "physical force" in the Armed Career Criminal Act's ("federal ACCA") definition of a "violent felony" refers to "violent force -- that is, force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person." Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S. 133 , 140 (2010) (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Kelly Ankeny, Sr.
9th Cir. · 2020 · confidence medium
Matus-Leva v. United States, 287 F.3d 758, 761 (9th Cir. 2002). 2 17-35138 another.” 18 U.S.C. § 924 (e)(2)(B)(i). “‘[P]hysical force’ means violent force— that is, force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S. 133 , 140 (2010) (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Commonwealth v. Vieira
Mass. · 2019 · confidence medium
Otherwise 'physical force against' and 'physical contact with' would end up meaning the same thing . . . ." Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003) (interpreting "physical force" under Federal definition of "crime of violence"). 14 In Barnes, 481 Mass. at 227 , the defendant and a child were alleged to have communicated via social media, gone to a hotel, and engaged in sexual intercourse.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Todd D'Antoni v. United States
7th Cir. · 2019 · confidence medium
Whether a crime fits within the elements clause “begins and ends with the elements of the crime.” Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 671 (7th Cir. 2003) (discussing the iden- tical elements clause in 18 U.S.C. § 16 (a)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Latroy Burris
5th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
But “[t]he meaning of ‘physical force’ in § 924(e)(2)(B)(i) is a question 66 Id. at 1412. 67 Id. (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003)) (alterations in original). 68 The government contends that there is no material difference between a bruise (and similar minor injuries) and a “slap in the face,” which it contends satisfies Curtis Johnson’s “violent force” definition.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Latroy Burris
5th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
By setting up this contrast, the Court indicated that causing a bruise is not “substantial” enough to be “violent force.” 68 65 Id. 66 Id. at 1412 . 67 Id. (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003)) (alterations in original). 68 The government contends that there is no material difference between a bruise (and similar minor injuries) and a “slap in the face,” which it contends satisfies Curtis Johnson’s “violent force” definition.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Villanueva v. United States
2d Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
In an illustrative passage, the Castleman majority explained that a lower force threshold was appropriate in the domestic violence context because it is “hard to describe as ‘violence’ a squeeze of the arm that causes a bruise… But an act of this nature is easy to describe as domestic violence.” 134 S. Ct. at 1412 (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (2003)) (internal punctuation omitted).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Davis (2×) also: Cited "see"
E.D.N.Y · 2018 · confidence medium
At the referenced pincite, the Seventh Circuit defined violent force as "the sort that is intended to cause bodily injury, or at a minimum likely to do so." Flores , 350 F.3d at 672 (emphasis added).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Latroy Burris
5th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
By setting up this contrast, the Court indicated that causing a bruise is not “substantial” enough to be “violent force.” 69 66 Id. 67 Id. at 1412 . 68 Id. (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003)) (alterations in original). 69 The government contends that there is no material difference between a bruise (and similar minor injuries) and a “slap in the face,” which it contends satisfies Curtis Johnson’s “violent force” definition.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Todd Ingram
6th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
Thus, “in the context of a statutory definition of ‘violent felony,’ the phrase ‘physical force’ means violent force—that is, force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Johnson I, 559 U.S. at 140 (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003) (Easterbrook, J.)). 3 In Johnson v. United States (Johnson II), 135 S. Ct. 2551 (2015), the Supreme Court found that the ACCA’s residual clause was unconstitutionally vague.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Tomkins v. United States
N.D. Ill. · 2018 · confidence medium
Even if that is the case, the Supreme Court clarified in Curtis Johnson that “violent force” just means “force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Id. at 140 (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Michael Lee
11th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
And, referring to a case it had cited with approval in Johnson I, the Court reiterated that it would be “hard to describe as violence a squeeze of the arm that 21 Case: 16-16590 Date Filed: 04/02/2018 Page: 22 of 23 causes a bruise.” Id. at 1412 (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003)) (internal quotation marks omitted).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Austin v. United States
S.D.N.Y. · 2017 · confidence medium
Similarly, in the Seventh Circuit case that the Supreme Court cited to support its definition of “physical force,” id. at 140, 130 S.Ct. 1265 , Judge Easterbrook noted that it was “hard to describe” a “squeeze of the arm [that] causes a bruise” as “violence.” Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Campbell
E.D. Ky. · 2016 · confidence medium
See Leocal, 125 S.Ct. at 383 (Section 16’s “crime of violence” definition "suggests a category of violent, active crimes[.]”); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003) (cited as authoritative in Johnson (2010) as the Supreme Court drew parallels between § 16 and § 924(e)(2)(B)(i)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Deandre Armour
7th Cir. · 2016 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
Cf. Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670, 672 (7th Cir. 2003) (misdemeanor battery with bodily injury not a crime of domestic violence under immigration statute because such minor injuries could satisfy criminal statute).
examined Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Eddy Wilmer Vail-Bailon (5×)
11th Cir. · 2016 · confidence medium
But the phrase “physical force” that appears in the “elements clause” necessarily refers to “violent force—that is, force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Id. at 140, 130 S.Ct. at 1271 (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003)).
examined Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Darrell Duncan (3×)
7th Cir. · 2016 · confidence medium
The “elements clause” of § 16 uses the same language as the ACCA definition: “has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another.” In Flores we reviewed Indiana law to conclude that: (1) Indiana’s battery statute encompasses “any contact, however slight,” both direct and indirect, Flores, 350 F.3d at 669 (citations omitted); and (2) the threshold for bodily injury in Indiana is low: “a bruise suffices, as does any *756 physical pain even without trauma.” Id. at 670 (citations omitted).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) GUZMAN-POLANCO
BIA · 2016 · confidence medium
Singh v. Ashcroft, 386 F.3d 1228, 1233 (9th Cir. 2004); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 671 (7th Cir. 2003); Chrzanoski v. Ashcroft, 327 F.3d 188, 196 (2d Cir. 2003). 716 Cite as 26 I&N Dec. 713 (BIA 2016) Interim Decision #3857 v. United States, 559 U.S. at 139 (“Ultimately, context determines meaning.”)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Bradley v. United States
W.D. Wis. · 2016 · confidence medium
In the first, brought under 28 U.S.C. § 28 U.S.C. § 2241, he argued that his conviction for victim-intimidation could no longer qualify as a crime of violence because the Supreme Court had held in Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S. 133 , 130 S.Ct. 1265 , 176 L.Ed.2d 1 (2010) (not to be confused with the 2015 decision in Johnson v. United States, under which petitioner is suing in this case), that a state felony offense not having as an element “the use of physical force against the person of another,” cannot qualify as a violent felony under 18 U.S.C. § 924 (e)(2)(B)(i) of the Armed Car…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Dunlap
D. Or. · 2016 · confidence medium
Defendant argues that this level of physical force is comparable to the more minimal uses of force, which courts have already determined to fall below the threshold of “violent force,” such as a “snowball [that] causes a yelp of pain, or a squeeze of the arm that causes a bruise.” Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Leonard
Wis. Ct. App. · 2015 · confidence medium
For example, in an opinion that we cited with approval in [Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S. 133 (2010)], the Seventh Circuit noted that it was "hard to describe ... as 'violence'" "a squeeze of the arm [that] causes a bruise." Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 ([7th Cir.] 2003).
examined Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Voisine (4×) also: Cited "see"
1st Cir. · 2015 · confidence medium
Id. at 1412 (alterations in original) (quoting Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir.2003)) (internal quotation marks omitted).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Darnell Mitchell
6th Cir. · 2014 · confidence medium
“Physical force” in turn is “force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Id. at 140 , 130 S.Ct. 1265 (citing *1059 Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Margarito Flores-Cordero
9th Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
The Court then adopted as a matter of federal law the Seventh Circuit’s definition of “physical force” that required “force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Id. at 140, 130 S.Ct. 1265 (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Randy Meherg
7th Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
A 15-year mandatory minimum is no trifling matter, and we have therefore taken care in these cases “[t]o avoid collapsing the distinction between violent and non-violent offenses.” Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Toney v. State
Ind. Ct. App. · 2012 · confidence medium
And as the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in a discussion of Indiana law, stated in Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir.2003), “any physical hurt” qualifies as bodily injury: It follows, Indiana’s judiciary concluded, that any physical hurt satisfies § 35-42-2-l(a)(l)(A) [elevating battery to a Class A misdemeanor if it results in bodily injury].
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Angus Toney v. State of Indiana
Ind. Ct. App. · 2012 · confidence medium
And as the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in a discussion of Indiana law, stated in Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir. 2003), “any physical hurt” qualifies as bodily injury: It follows, Indiana’s judiciary concluded, that any physical hurt satisfies § 35-42-2-1(a)(1)(A) [elevating battery to a Class A misdemeanor if it results in bodily injury].
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rickey Scott, Jr.
7th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
See Johnson v. United States, 130 S. Ct. 1265 , 1271 (2010); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Commonwealth v. Colon (2×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
Mass. App. Ct. · 2011 · confidence medium
Cf. United States v. Belless, 338 F.3d 1063, 1068 (9th Cir. 2003), interpreting “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” in 18 U.S.C. § 921 (a)(33)(A) (“As a matter of law, we hold that the physical force to which the federal statute refers is not de minimis”); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003), interpreting “crime of violence” as used in 18 U.S.C. § 16 [a] (“To avoid collapsing the distinction between violent and non-violent offenses, we must treat the word ‘force’ as having a meaning in the legal community that differs from its meaning in the physics c…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) DE LEON CASTELLANOS v. Holder
7th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
Johnson echoed our position in Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 669-70 (7th Cir.2003), which held that battery under Indiana law for “touching] ... in a rude, insolent, or angry manner,” Ind.Code § 35-42-2-1, was not a crime of violence under 18 U.S.C. § 16 (a) because a person could be convicted based on slight offensive physical contact, such as tossing, a paper airplane that inflicts a paper cut or a snowball that causes minor pain.
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rickey Scott, Jr.
7th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
See Johnson v. United States, 130 S. Ct. 1265 , 1271 (2010); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Scott
7th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
See Johnson v. United States, — U.S.-, ——, 130 S.Ct. 1265, 1271 , 176 L.Ed.2d 1 (2010); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. James Taylor
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
See, e.g., Johnson v. United States, --- U.S. ----, 130 S. Ct. 1265 , 1271-72 (2010) (“touching” in Florida battery statute does not categorically equate to “physical force” necessary to qualify as a violent felony under first part of ACCA definition); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir. 2003) (“touching” in Indiana misdemeanor battery statute includes any contact, however slight, and thus does not necessarily satisfy “physical force” requirement in analogous crime of violence definition in 18 U.S.C. § 16 ); Begay, 553 U.S. at 143-45 (residual clause in second part…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Taylor
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
See, e.g., Johnson v. United, States, — U.S. -, 130 S.Ct. 1265, 1271-72 , 176 L.Ed.2d 1 (2010) (“touching” in Florida battery statute does not categorically equate to “physical force” necessary to qualify as a violent felony under first part of ACCA definition); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003) (“touching” in Indiana misdemeanor battery statute includes any contact, however slight, and thus does not necessarily satisfy “physical force” requirement in analogous crime of violence definition in 18 U.S.C. § 16 ); Begay, 553 U.S. at 143-45 , 128 S.Ct. 1581 (re…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ellis, Bernard
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
The Supreme Court explained in Johnson that “in the context of a statutory definition of ‘violent felony,’ the phrase ‘physical force’ means violent force — that is, force capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person.” Id. at 1271 (citing Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Sandro Segura v. Eric Holder, Jr.
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
INS v. Lopez‐Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032 , 1038‐39 (1984); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 669 (7th Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Segura-Felipe v. Holder
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032, 1038-39 , 104 S.Ct. 3479 , 82 L.Ed.2d 778 (1984); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 669 (7th Cir.2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rodriguez-Gomez
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 670 (7th Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Bryant
5th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003); see also United States v. Landeros-Gonzales, 262 F.3d 424, 426 (5th Cir.2001) (indicating that the use of force element of a crime of violence involves “destructive or violent force"). 17 .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Martinez-Sanchez
7th Cir. · 2008 · confidence medium
First, for purposes of § 2L1.2(b)(l)(A)(ii), “force” means force that is “violent in nature.” See Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672 (7th Cir.2003); United States v. Franco-Fernandez, 511 F.3d 768, 770-71 (7th Cir.2008).
examined Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Hays (4×) also: Cited "see"
10th Cir. · 2008 · confidence medium
Meanwhile, the Seventh and Ninth circuits have adopted standards under which physical force must be "violent." See United States v. Belless, 338 F.3d 1063, 1068 (9th Cir.2003) (asserting "[t]he phrase `physical force' in the federal definition at 18 U.S.C. § 921 (a)(33)(A)(ii) means the violent use of force against the body of another individual" (emphasis added)); Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 669, 672 (7th Cir.2003) (although not precisely on point, asserting that a conviction for "touching in a rude, insolent, or angry manner" was not a crime of domestic violence for purposes of remova…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Luque-Barahona (2×) also: Cited "see"
7th Cir. · 2008 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
See Leocal v. Ashcroft, 548 U.S. 1, 9 , 125 S.Ct. 377 , 160 L.Ed.2d 271 (2004) (suggesting that pushing another person involves purposeful use of physical force); cf Flores, 350 F.3d at 669-72 (requiring that force used be “violent in nature — the sort that is intended to cause bodily injury, or at a minimum is likely to do so”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) When a Prior Conviction Qualifies as a \Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence\"" (2×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
OLC · 2007 · confidence medium
Similarly, the Seventh Circuit has explained that when the statutory definition of a crime contains a disjunctive provision, “it is necessary to look behind the statutory definition,” but “the inquiry begins and ends with the elements of the crime.” Flores, 350 F.3d at 670, 671 ; see Szucz-Toldy, 400 F.3d at 981 (discussing Flores and emphasizing “as an element” language); see also United States v. Kennedy, 133 F.3d 53 , 57–58 (D.C.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Larin-Ulloa v. Gonzales
5th Cir. · 2007 · confidence medium
See United States v. Sarmiento-Funes, 374 F.3d 336, 339-40 (5th Cir. 2004) (finding that state statute prohibiting non-consensual sexual intercourse did not have force as an element; applying United States 28 Sentencing Guidelines § 2L1.2); United States v. Velazquez-Overa, 100 F.3d 408, 420 (5th Cir. 1996) (stating that crime of indecent sexual contact with a child did not have use of force as an element; applying U.S.S.G. § 2L1.2); Singh v. Ashcroft, 386 F.3d 1228, 1232-33 (9th Cir. 2004) (stating that use of force was not an element of state harassment statute prohibiting offensive physic…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Fernandez-Ruiz v. Gonzales (2×)
9th Cir. · 2006 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
Cf. Flores v. Ashcroft, 350 F.3d 666, 672-73 (7th Cir. 2003) (Evans, J., concurring) (lamenting the absence of common sense in courts’ application of the Taylor categorical approach and noting that “Flores actually beat his wife[;] . . . . [a] common-sense review here should lead one to conclude that Flores committed a ‘crime of domestic violence’ ”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Juan Larin-Ulloa v. Alberto Gonzales, United States Attorney General
5th Cir. · 2006 · confidence medium
See United States v. Sarmiento-Funes, 374 F.3d 336, 339-40 (5th Cir.2004) (finding that state statute prohibiting non-consensual sexual intercourse did not have force as an element; applying United States Sentencing Guidelines § 2L1.2); United States v. Velazquez-Overa, 100 F.3d 418, 420 (5th Cir.1996) (stating that crime of indecent sexual contact with a child did not have use of force as an element; applying U.S.S.G. § 2L1.2); Singh v. Ashcroft, 386 F.3d 1228, 1232-33 (9th Cir.2004) (stating that use'of force was not an element of state harassment statute prohibiting offensive physical con…
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Jose Ernesto FLORES, Petitioner,
v.
John ASHCROFT, Attorney General of the United States, Respondent
02-3160.
Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.
Nov 26, 2003.
350 F.3d 666
Lee A. O’Connor (argued), Indiana Legal Services Incorporated, South Bend, IN, for Petitioner., George P. Katsivalis, Office of the District Counsel, Chicago, IL, Aviva L. Poc-zter (argued), Department of Justice, Washington, DC, for Respondents.
Easterbrook, Wood, Evans.
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COPYRIGHT MATERIAL OMITTED Lee A. O'Connor (argued), Indiana Legal Services Incorporated, South Bend, IN, for Petitioner.

George P. Katsivalis, Office of the District Counsel, Chicago, Chicago, IL, Aviva L. Poczter (argued), Department of Justice, Civ. Div., Immigration Lit., Washington, DC, for Respondents.

Before EASTERBROOK, DIANE P. WOOD, and EVANS, Circuit Judges.

EASTERBROOK, Circuit Judge.

Lead Opinion

EASTERBROOK, Circuit Judge.

Jose Ernesto Flores was ordered removed under § 237(a)(2)(E) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(E), because he committed a “crime of domestic violence” — which means any offense that is a “crime of violence” under 18 U.S.C. § 16 and has a spouse or other domestic partner as a victim. The crime need not be defined in state law as “domestic”; all aspects of the definition are federal. But classification of a state crime under a federal definition can be tricky, and Flores denies that his offense qualifies. We have jurisdiction to determine whether Flores has committed a removable offense, see Gill v. Ashcroft, 335 F.3d 574 (7th Cir.2003); Yang v. INS, 109 F.3d 1185, 1192 (7th Cir.1997), but if he has done so then we lack jurisdiction to review any other issues. See 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C); Calcano-Martinez v. [*617] INS, 533 U.S. 348, 121 S.Ct. 2268, 150 L.Ed.2d 392 (2001).

Flores pleaded guilty in Indiana to battery, a misdemeanor, which in that state is any touching in a rude, insolent, or angry manner. Ind.Code § 35-42-2-1. He received a one-year sentence because bodily injury ensued. Flores admitted at a removal hearing that the victim was his wife. Although he now contends that he was not given sufficient time before that admission to retain counsel, a removal proceeding is not a criminal prosecution, and the Constitution does not of its own force create a right to legal assistance at every stage. See Stroe v. INS, 256 F.3d 498 (7th Cir.2001). The immigration judge’s failure to grant Flores additional continuances before asking questions about the charges may have violated a regulation, but given § 1252(a)(2)(C) we lack authority to vindicate regulation-based arguments by criminal aliens. (Violation of a federal regulation differs from violation of the Constitution. See United States v. Caceres, 440 U.S. 741, 99 S.Ct. 1465, 59 L.Ed.2d 733 (1979).) By the tune the hearing proper arrived, Flores was represented by counsel, as he has been ever since. Lack of legal assistance earlier could matter only to the extent it affected the determination that he committed a crime of domestic battery — and that would be possible only if, with the assistance of counsel, Flores might have refused to make one of the concessions at the earlier, uncounselled proceedings: that (a) he is the “Jose Ernesto Flores” who pleaded guilty to the charge, and (b) the victim was his wife. Yet Flores has never (with or without counsel) denied either of these things. The issue at hand is entirely legal: how should the offense created by Ind.Code § 35-42-2-1 be classified for purposes of § 237(a)(2)(E)? It would be pointless to debate whether, some years ago, the immigration judge should have afforded Flores more time to hire a lawyer. We move to the main event.

Section 16 says that “The term ‘crime of violence’ means — (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or (b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.” Because the offense of which Flores was convicted is a misdemeanor, only § 16(a) matters. It is limited to crimes that have as an element the use of “physical force against the person ... of another”. Indiana law provides: “(a) A person who knowingly or intentionally touches another person in a rude, insolent, or angry manner commits battery, a Class B misdemeanor. However, the offense is: (1) a Class A misdemeanor if: (A) it results in bodily injury to any other person”. Ind. Code § 35-42-2-1. Flores pleaded guilty to this “Class A” version of the misdemeanor offense. The parties treat bodily injury as an “element” because it increases the maximum punishment. There are two other elements: an intentional touching, plus a rude, insolent, or angry manner. Rudeness has nothing to do with force (though it increases the offense given by the touching). But both touching and injury have a logical relation to the “use of physical force” under § 16(a).

Flores observes that Indiana does not require much of either touching or injury. Any contact counts as a “touch” — and this includes indirect as well as direct contact, so a snowball, spitball, or paper airplane qualifies if it hits the target. Indiana follows the common-law rule under which any contact, however slight, may constitute battery. Hamilton v. State, 237[*618] Ind. 298, 145 N.E.2d 391 (1957); Seal v. State, 246 Ind. 353, 205 N.E.2d 823 (1965). Touching anything attached to someone else, such as the person’s glasses, is treated the same as touching the body. Impson v. State, 721 N.E.2d 1275 (Ind.App. 2000). As for injury: a bruise suffices, as does any physical pain even without trauma. Lewis v. State, 438 N.E.2d 289 (Ind. 1982); Tucker v. State, 725 N.E.2d 894 (Ind.App.2000). Indiana’s courts reached this conclusion because “serious” bodily injury makes the offense a Class C felony. See Ind.Code § 35-42-2-1(a)(3). It follows, Indiana’s judiciary concluded, that any physical hurt satisfies § 35-42-2-1(a)(1)(A). So if the paper airplane inflicts a paper cut, the snowball causes a yelp of pain, or a squeeze of the arm causes a bruise, the aggressor has committed a Class A misdemeanor (provided that the act was rude, angry, or insolent). It is hard to describe any of this as “violence.”

Now Flores did not tickle his wife with a feather during a domestic quarrel, causing her to stumble and bruise her arm. That would not have led to a prosecution, let alone to a year’s imprisonment. The police report shows that Flores attacked and beat his wife even though prior violence had led to an order barring him from having any contact with her. The contempt of court reflected in disobedience to this order, plus the ensuing injury, likely explains the prosecution and sentence. The immigration officials ask us to examine what Flores actually did, not just the elements of the crime to which he pleaded guilty. The problem with that approach lies in the language of § 16(a), which specifies that the offense of conviction must have “as an element” the use or threatened use of physical force. Section 16 adopts a charge-offense rather than a real-offense approach, as is common to recidivist statutes. See, e.g., Taylor v. United States, 495 U.S. 575, 110 S.Ct. 2143, 109 L.Ed.2d 607 (1990). As we explained in United States v. Howze, 343 F.3d 919 (7th Cir.2003), it may be necessary even in charge-offense systems to rely on some aspects of the defendant’s actual behavior, in order to know what he has been convicted of: when one state-law offense may be committed in multiple ways, and federal law draws a distinction, it is necessary to look behind the statutory definition. See also United States v. Shannon, 110 F.3d 382, 384-85 (7th Cir.1997) (en banc). Howze was itself an example of this. State law defined, as a single felony, theft from either a living person or an embalmed body. The former is (we held) a crime of violence under 18 U.S.C. § 924(e)(2)(B)(ii) and the latter not, because only the former poses a risk of a violent encounter between thief and victim. So in Howze we examined the charging papers to learn that the victim had been alive. Indiana’s battery statute, by contrast, separates into distinct subsections the different ways to commit the offense. Particularly forceful touchings, or those that cause grave injuries, come under subsections other than Ind. Code § 35-42-2-1(a)(1)(A). Thus it is possible to focus on “the elements” of that crime, as § 16(a) requires, without encountering any ambiguity, and thus without looking outside the statutory definition. See also Bazan-Reyes v. INS, 256 F.3d 600, 606-12 (7th Cir.2001) (drunk driving is not a crime of violence under the elements approach of § 16, even if injury or death ensues).

Although § 16(a) directs attention to the statutory elements, § 237(a)(2)(E) of the immigration laws departs from that model by making the “domestic” ingredient a real-offense characteristic. Thus it does not matter for purposes of federal law that the crime of battery in Indiana is the same whether the victim is one’s wife[*619] or a drinking buddy injured in a barroom. The injury to a “domestic partner” is a requirement based entirely on federal law and may be proved without regard to the elements of the state crime. See Sutherland v. Reno, 228 F.3d 171, 177-78 (2d Cir.2000). Substantial evidence, independent of Flores’s admission, shows that the victim was his wife. When classifying the state offense of battery for purposes of § 16(a), however, the inquiry begins and ends with the elements of the crime.

According to the immigration officials, we should grant Chevron deference to the Board’s decision that Ind.Code § 35-42-2-l(a)(l)(A) satisfies the federal definition. An earlier decision reached this conclusion, after extended analysis, with respect to a Connecticut law similar to Ind.Code § 35-42-2-1(a)(1)(A), see Matter of Martin, 23 I. & N. Dec. 491 (B.I.A.2002), and in Flores’s case the Board relied on Martin. Yet Chevron deference depends on delegation, see United States v. Mead Corp., 533 U.S. 218, 121 S.Ct. 2164, 150 L.Ed.2d 292 (2001), and § 16(a) does not delegate any power to the immigration bureaucracy (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service, now the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services), or to the Board of Immigration Appeals. Section 16 is a criminal statute, and just as courts do not defer to the Attorney General or United States Attorney when § 16 must be interpreted in a criminal prosecution, so there is no reason for deference when the same statute must be construed in a removal proceeding. Any delegation of interpretive authority runs to the Judicial Branch rather than the Executive Branch. Cf. Adams Fruit Co. v. Barrett, 494 U.S. 638, 110 S.Ct. 1384, 108 L.Ed.2d 585 (1990). One law has one meaning, and a given state conviction a single classification, whether the subject arises in removal or in a recidivist prosecution in federal court. Although the agency’s interpretation in Martin may have persuasive force, and we must give it careful consideration, it has no binding effect along Chevron’s lines.

Martin is not persuasive. Besides starting with legislative history rather than the text of § 16 — the Board saw great significance in a footnote to the Senate Report, though this footnote did not purport to disambiguate any statutory language and thus lacks weight on the Supreme Court’s view of legislative history’s significance — the Board made two logical errors. It relied on decisions, such as United States v. Nason, 269 F.3d 10 (1st Cir.2001); United States .v. Ceron-Sanchez, 222 F.3d 1169 (9th Cir.2000); and United States v. Smith, 171 F.3d 617 (8th Cir.1999), which hold that state laws penalizing battery with intent to injure are crimes of violence under § 16 (or similar statutes, such as § 924(e)(2)). The Board concluded that this approach is equally applicable to laws such as Ind.Code § 35-42-2-l(a)(l)(A). The first error is equating intent to cause injury (an element of the state laws at issue in those decisions) with .any injury that happens to occur. It may well be that acts designed to injure deserve' the appellation “violent” because the intent makes an actual injury more likely; it does not follow that accidental hurts should be treated the same way. Indiana’s battery law does not make intent to injure an element of the offense; intent to touch must be established, but not intent to injure. The Board’s second error was failure to appreciate the difference between felony and misdemeanor convictions. When the prior offense is a felony, then any criminal conduct that involves a “substantial risk” of physical force may be classified as a crime of violence under § 16(b) or § 924(e)(2)(B)(ii). (Howze involved a prior felony, which is why we[*620] looked to the risk of an altercation breaking out between thief and victim.) But when the conviction is for a misdemeanor, then physical force must be an element under § 16(a) or § 924(e)(2)(B)(i).

Section 16(a) refers to the “use of physical force”. Every battery entails a touch, and it is impossible to touch someone without applying some force, if only a smidgeon. Does it follow that every battery comes within § 16(a)? No, it does not. Every battery involves “force” in the sense of physics or engineering, where “force” means the acceleration of mass. A dyne is the amount of force needed to accelerate one gram of mass by one centimeter per second per second. That’s a tiny amount; a paper airplane conveys more. (A newton, the amount of force needed to accelerate a kilogram by one meter per second per second, is 100,000 dynes, and a good punch packs a passel of newtons.) Perhaps one could read the word “force” in § 16(a) to mean one dyne or more, but that would make hash of the effort to distinguish ordinary crimes from violent ones. How is it possible to commit any offense without applying a dyne of force? Section 16(a) speaks of “physical force against the person or property of another” (emphasis added). Cashing a check obtained by embezzlement requires lots of dynes to move the check into an envelope for mailing. Suppose someone finds a set of keys that the owner dropped next to his car and, instead of taking them to a lost and found, turns the key in the lock and drives away. One would suppose that to be a paradigm non-violent offense, yet turning the key in the lock requires “physical force” (oodles of dynes) directed against the property (the auto) of another.

To avoid collapsing the distinction between violent and non-violent offenses, we must treat the word “force” as having a meaning in the legal community that differs from its meaning in the physics community. The way to do this is to insist that the force be violent in nature — the sort that is intended to cause bodily injury, or at a minimum likely to do so. We have already drawn just that line. See Solorza-no-Patlan v. INS, 207 F.3d 869, 875 n. 10 (7th Cir.2000); Xiong v. INS, 173 F.3d 601, 604-05 (7th Cir.1999). Otherwise “physical force against” and “physical contact with” would end up meaning the same thing, even though these senses are distinct in law. This is not a quantitative line (“how many newtons makes a touching violent?”) but a qualitative one. An offensive touching is on the “contact” side of this line, a punch on the “force” side; and even though we know that Flores’s acts were on the “force” side of this legal line, the elements of his offense are on the “contact” side. Because § 16(a) tells us that the elements rather than the real activities are dispositive in misdemeanor cases, this conviction cannot properly be classified as a crime of violence, and the basis for Flores’s removal has been knocked out — along with any obstacle to our jurisdiction.

The order of removal is vacated, and the matter is remanded to the Board.

Concurrence

EVANS, Circuit Judge,

concurring.

Although it’s debatable whether expending dynes (to say nothing about newtons) pressing the keys of my wordprocessor to concur in this case is worth the effort, I do so because the result we reach, though correct on the law, is divorced from common sense. For one thing, people don’t get charged criminally for expending a newton of force against victims. Flores actually beat his wife — after violating a restraining order based on at least one prior beating — and got a one-year prison sentence for doing so.

[*621] If it is permissible to look to Flores’ “real conduct” to determine if the person he beat was his wife rather than some stranger, why does it not make perfectly good sense to allow an immigration judge to look at what he really did in other respects as well, rather than restrict the judge to a cramped glance at the “elements” of a cold statute? The more information upon which the judge acts, the better. A common-sense review here should lead one to conclude that Flores committed a “crime of domestic violence.” Simply put, by any commonly understood meaning of that term, that’s exactly what he did, and that should be the end of the story. We, and the IJ as well in this case, should be able to look at what really happened.

We recently observed that critics of our system of law often see it as “not tethered very closely to common sense.” United States v. Cranley (2003 WL 22718171, decided November 19, 2003). This case is a good example of why that observation hits the nail on the head. Nevertheless, Judge Easterbrook is correct in applying the law so I join his persuasive (as usual) and colorful- — snowballs, spitballs, and paper airplanes et al. — opinion. However, I do not applaud the result we reach. And one final point: Whether doing what Flores actually did should cause him to be removed from the country is a question we are without jurisdiction to answer. For better or worse, that’s a matter for the executive branch as it attempts to implement the will of Congress.