705 Iowa opinions name it 2 courts 2002–2026 296 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Iowa courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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Meier v. SENECAUT IIIgreen2 sentences2026See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 2026See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 3 This provision states that an actor in a special relationship with another, which includes “a business or other possessor of land that holds its premises open to the public,” “owes the other a duty of reasonable care with regard to risks that arise within the scope of the relationship.” Restatement (Third) § 40(a), (b)(3). 11 For these reasons, we affirm the district court’ | 625 | 641 |
Lynn G. Lamasters Vs. State of Iowagreen2 sentences2026“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Lamasters v. State, 821 N.W.2d 856, 862 (Iowa 2012) (citation omitted). 2026See Lamasters v. State, 821 N.W.2d 856, 862 (Iowa 2012) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” (citation omitted)). | 77 | 80 |
Bank of America, N.A. v. Schultegreen2 sentences2021See Bank of Am., N.A. v. Schulte, 843 N.W.2d 876, 883 (Iowa 2014) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” (citation omitted)). 3. 2021See Bank of Am., N.A. v. Schulte, 843 N.W.2d 876, 883 (Iowa 2014) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” (citation omitted)). | 15 | 15 |
State v. Mulvanygreen2 sentences2021See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 5 N.W.2d 532 , 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also State v. Mulvaney, 600 N.W.2d 291, 293 (Iowa 1999) (“[W]e require error preservation even on constitutional issues.”). 2020See Meier v. Senecaut, 5 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also State v. Mulvany, 600 N.W.2d 291, 293 (Iowa 1999) (“[W]e require error preservation even on constitutional issues.”). | 11 | 11 |
In the Interest of A.B. & S.B., Minor Children, S.B., Fathergreen2 sentences2025“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002); see also A.B., 815 N.W.2d at 773 (“[T]he general rule that appellate arguments must first be raised in the trial court applies to [child in need of assistance] and termination of parental rights cases.”). 2025See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also In re A.B., 815 N.W.2d 764, 773 (Iowa 2012) (applying this doctrine to termination proceedings). | 9 | 9 |
Metz v. Amoco Oil Co.green2 sentences2023“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (citing Metz v. Amoco Oil Co., 581 N.W.2d 597, 600 (Iowa 1998) (en banc)). 2020See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” (citing Metz v. Amoco Oil Co., 581 N.W.2d 597, 600 (Iowa 1998))). | 7 | 8 |
In Re KCgreen2 sentences2019“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.” In re K.C., 660 N.W.2d 29, 38 (Iowa 2003); see also Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 2019First, we find the father has failed to preserve the lack-of-consent issue for our review as he raises it for the first time on appeal. “[T]he general rule that appellate arguments must first be raised in the trial court applies to CINA and termination of parental rights cases.” In re A.B., 815 N.W.2d 764, 773 (Iowa 2012); accord In re K.C., 660 N.W.2d 29, 38 (Iowa 2003) (“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.”); Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctr | 6 | 6 |
Top of Iowa Cooperative v. Sime Farms, Inc.green2 sentences2017“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[O]ne purpose of our error preservation rules is to ensure that the opposing party and the district court are alerted to an issue at a time when corrective action can be taken or another alternative pursued.” Top of Iowa Coop. v. Sime Farms, Inc., 608 N.W.2d 454, 470 (Iowa 2000); see also Office of Consumer Advocate v. Iowa State Commerce Comm’n, 465 N.W.2d 280, 283 (Iowa 1991). 2017“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[O]ne purpose of our error preservation rules is to ensure that the opposing party and the district court are alerted to an issue at a time when corrective action can be taken or another alternative pursued.” Top of Iowa Coop. v. Sime Farms, Inc., 608 N.W.2d 454, 470 (Iowa 2000); see also Office of Consumer Advocate v. Iowa State Commerce Comm’n, 465 N.W.2d 280, 283 (Iowa 1991). | 5 | 5 |
Yee v. City of Escondidogreen2 sentences2012“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[I]t is not a sensible exercise of appellate review to analyze facts of an issue ‘without the benefit of a full record or lower court determination[ ].’ ” Id. (quoting Yee v. City of Escondido, 503 U.S. 519, 538 , 112 S.Ct. 1522, 1534 , 118 L.Ed.2d 153, 172 (1992)). 2012“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[I]t is not a sensible exercise of appellate review to analyze facts of an issue ‘without the benefit of a full record or lower court determination[ ].’ ” Id. (quoting Yee v. City of Escondido, 503 U.S. 519, 538 , 112 S.Ct. 1522, 1534 , 118 L.Ed.2d 153, 172 (1992)). | 4 | 5 |
Deandre D. Goode v. State of Iowagreen2 sentences2025See Sandoval v. State, 975 N.W.2d 434 , 438 (Iowa 2022); Goode v. State, 920 N.W.2d 520, 526 (Iowa 2018) (“As a general rule, we do not address issues presented on appeal for the first 3 time . . . .”); Lamasters v. State, 821 N.W.2d 856, 862 (Iowa 2012) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” (quoting Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002))). 2023See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also Goode v. State, 920 N.W.2d at 526 (“As a general rule, we do not address issues presented on appeal for the first time, and we do not remand cases to the district court for evidence on issues not raised and decided by the district court.”). 4. | 3 | 3 |
State of Iowa v. Justin Robert Derbygreen2 sentences2017See State v. Derby, 800 N.W.2d 52, 60 (Iowa 2011) (“Issues not raised before the district court, including constitutional issues, cannot be raised for the first time on appeal.” (citation omitted)); Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 3 court dismissed Boss’s second PCR application as being barred by the statute of limitations because he filed the application more than three years after the writ of procedendo. 2017See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also State v. Derby, 800 N.W.2d 52 , 60 5 (Iowa 2011) (“Issues not raised before the district court, including constitutional issues, cannot be raised for the first time on appeal.” (citation omitted)). | 3 | 3 |
Peters v. Burlington Northern Railroadgreen2 sentences2007Co., 492 N.W.2d 399, 401 (Iowa 1992))). 2007Co., 492 N.W.2d 399, 401 (Iowa 1992))). 9 v. City of Iowa City, 703 N.W.2d 180, 184 (Iowa 2005) (quoting Iowa R. | 3 | 3 |
State v. Rutledgegreen2 sentences2026See, e.g., State v. Treptow, 960 N.W.2d 98 , 109 (Iowa 2021) (“We have repeatedly rejected plain error review and will not adopt it now.”); Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); State v. Rutledge, 600 N.W.2d 324, 326 (Iowa 1999) (“[S]imple justice demands rigid adherence to the [error-preservation] rule.”). 2020“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002); see also State v. Rutledge, 600 N.W.2d 324, 325 (Iowa 1999) (“Nothing is more basic in the law of appeal and error than the axiom that a party cannot sing a song to us that was not first sung in trial court.”). | 2 | 3 |
In the Interest of L.M.green2 sentences2023“The reasonable efforts concept would broadly include a visitation arrangement designed to facilitate reunification while protecting the child from the harm responsible for the removal.” In re L.M., 904 N.W.2d 835, 839 (Iowa 2017) (citation omitted). 2023See id. (requiring a parent to make an affirmative objection to the services offered when challenging the State’s reasonable efforts); see also Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). | 2 | 2 |
In Re CBgreen2 sentences2023The mother asserts on appeal the department failed to provide reasonable efforts by not increasing visitation or move visitation to her residence after an August 24 home visit. 5“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). 7 Reasonable efforts “covers both the efforts to prevent and eliminate the need for removal.” In re C.B., 611 N.W.2d 489, 493 (Iowa 2000). 2023The State is not required to pursue “all means necessary.” Rather, reasonable efforts include “visitation designed to facilitate reunification while providing adequate protection for the child.” In re C.B., 611 N.W.2d 489, 493 (Iowa 2000) (emphasis added). | 2 | 2 |
Pamela Plowman and Jeremy Plowman v. Fort Madison Community Hospital, Pil Kang, John Paiva, Davis Radiology, P.C., Leah Steffensmeier, the Women's Center, and Fort Madison Physicians and Surgeonsgreen2 sentences2022After all, we are “a court of review, not of first view.” Plowman v. Fort Madison Cmty. Hosp., 896 N.W.2d 393, 413 (Iowa 2017) (quoting Cutter v. Wilkinson, 544 U.S. 709 , 718 n.7 (2005)). 2021See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also Plowman v. Fort Madison Cmty. Hosp., 896 N.W.2d 393, 413 (noting appellate courts are courts of review, not first view). | 2 | 2 |
David Taft v. Iowa District Court for Linn Countygreen2 sentences2021Ct., 828 N.W.2d 309, 322 (Iowa 2013) (“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.”). 2019Ct., 828 N.W.2d 309, 322 (Iowa 2013) (“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.”).7 7 We also note our prior holdings that equitable tolling does not apply to section 822.3. | 2 | 2 |
UE Local 893/IUP v. State of Iowagreen2 sentences2021However, “a party receiving a preliminary ruling that does not unequivocally decide an issue must do more to 15 preserve the issue for appellate review.” UE Local 893/IUP v. State, 928 N.W.2d 51, 61 (Iowa 2019). 2021“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” This doctrine is based on the principle that “[i]t is not a sensible exercise of appellate review to analyze facts of an issue ‘without the benefit of a full record or lower court determination[].’ ” UE Loc. 893/IUP v. State, 928 N.W.2d 51, 60 (Iowa 2019) (alterations in original) (citation omitted) (quoting Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002)). | 2 | 2 |
In Re the Detention of Calvin Matlock, Calvin Matlockgreen2 sentences2021This applies “with equal force to constitutional issues.” In re Det. of Matlock, 860 N.W.2d 898, 910 (Iowa 2015) (Zager, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part). 2015“Our error preservation rules apply with equal force to constitutional issues.” In re Det. of Matlock, 860 N.W.2d 898, 910 (Iowa 2015). | 2 | 2 |
Summy v. City of Des Moinesgreen2 sentences2017“Error preservation does not turn, however, on the thoroughness of counsel’s research and briefing so long as the nature of the error has been timely brought to the attention of the district court.” Summy v. City of Des Moines, 708 N.W.2d 333, 338 (Iowa 2006), overruled in part on other grounds by Alcala v. Marriott Int’l, Inc., 880 N.W.2d 699 , 708 n.3 (Iowa 2016). 2017“Error preservation does not turn, however, on the thoroughness of counsel’s research and briefing so long as the nature of the error has been timely brought to the attention of the district court.” Summy v. City of Des Moines, 708 N.W.2d 333, 338 (Iowa 2006), overruled in part on other grounds by Alcala v. Marriott Int’l, Inc., 880 N.W.2d 699 , 708 n.3 (Iowa 2016). | 2 | 2 |
State v. Buenaventuragreen2 sentences2017See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also In re K.C., 660 N.W.2d at 38 (“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.”). 2017See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); see also In re K.C., 660 N.W.2d at 38 (“Even issues implicating constitutional rights must be presented to and ruled upon by the district court in order to preserve error for appeal.”). | 2 | 2 |
Office of Consumer Advocate v. Iowa State Commerce Commissiongreen2 sentences2017“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[O]ne purpose of our error preservation rules is to ensure that the opposing party and the district court are alerted to an issue at a time when corrective action can be taken or another alternative pursued.” Top of Iowa Coop. v. Sime Farms, Inc., 608 N.W.2d 454, 470 (Iowa 2000); see also Office of Consumer Advocate v. Iowa State Commerce Comm’n, 465 N.W.2d 280, 283 (Iowa 1991). 2017“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.” Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002). “[O]ne purpose of our error preservation rules is to ensure that the opposing party and the district court are alerted to an issue at a time when corrective action can be taken or another alternative pursued.” Top of Iowa Coop. v. Sime Farms, Inc., 608 N.W.2d 454, 470 (Iowa 2000); see also Office of Consumer Advocate v. Iowa State Commerce Comm’n, 465 N.W.2d 280, 283 (Iowa 1991). | 2 | 2 |
Des Moines Flying Service, Inc. v. Aerial Services Inc. Cedar Valley Aviation, LLC and Kirk P. Fishergreen2 sentences2017Inc., 880 N.W.2d 212, 217 (Iowa 2016). 2017Inc., 880 N.W.2d 212, 217 (Iowa 2016). | 2 | 2 |
State v. Reevesgreen1 sentence2026And “[t]he district court has broad discretion in ruling on a motion for new trial.” State v. Reeves, 670 N.W.2d 199, 202 (Iowa 2003). | 1 | 1 |
In the Interest of A.M., Minor Child, A.M., Fathergreen1 sentence2026See Meier v. Senecaut, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 6 Even had he preserved error, the exceptions to termination “are permissive, not mandatory.” A.S., 906 N.W.2d at 475 (quoting In re A.M., 843 N.W.2d 100, 113 (Iowa 2014)). | 1 | 1 |
| Staff Management and New Hampshire Insurance Company v. Pascuala Jimenezgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Mark Angelo Castro v. State of Iowagreen | 1 | 1 |
| Springer v. Weeks and Leo Co., Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Van Baale v. City of Des Moinesgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Ditch v. Hessgreen | 1 | 1 |
| In Re the Marriage of Gensleygreen | 1 | 1 |
| Bradford v. Stategreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Legggreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Hernandez-Lopezgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Moody v. Van Wechelgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Yegge v. Integrity Mutual Insurancegreen | 1 | 1 |
| McClure v. Walgreen Co.green | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Walkergreen | 1 | 1 |
| Francisco Villa Magana v. State of Iowagreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Groffgreen | 1 | 1 |
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Brenda J. Alcala v. Marriott International, Inc. and Courtyard Management Corporation D/B/A Quad Cities Courtyard by Marriott
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2 sentences2019See Meier, 641 N.W.2d at 537 (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”). 9 conclusion is inadmissible in an ordinary negligence case.”); In re Palmer, 691 N.W.2d 413, 419 (Iowa 2005) (“A witness cannot opine on a legal conclusion or whether the facts of the case meet a given legal standard.”), overruled on other grounds by Alcala v. Marriott Int’l, Inc., 880 N.W.2d 699 , 708 n.3 (Iowa 2016); Grismore v. Consol. 2017“Error preservation does not turn, however, on the thoroughness of counsel’s research and briefing so long as the nature of the error has been timely brought to the attention of the district court.” Summy v. City of Des Moines, 708 N.W.2d 333, 338 (Iowa 2006), overruled in part on other grounds by Alcala v. Marriott Int’l, Inc., 880 N.W.2d 699 , 708 n.3 (Iowa 2016). | 3 | 2017–2019 |
Brian K. Allison v. State of iowa
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2 sentences2021Furthermore, even if his relation-back argument were preserved for our review, the second PCR petition must be “filed promptly after the conclusion of the first PCR action.” Allison, 914 N.W.2d at 891 . 2020In any event, this court has frequently held that equitable tolling does not apply to section 822.3.2 And, Smith makes no argument our supreme court’s recent opinion in Allison v. State, 914 N.W.2d 866 (2018), adopted equitable tolling under chapter 822. | 2 | 2020–2021 |
In Interest of A.R.
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2 sentences2006See Meier v. Senecaut III, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); cf. In re A.R., 316 N.W.2d 887, 888 , 889 n. 2 (Iowa 1982) (“In ordinary civil cases tried to the court, the sufficiency of the evidence may be challenged on appeal even though not raised below.” (Emphasis added.)); Iowa R. 2006See Meier v. Senecaut III, 641 N.W.2d 532, 537 (Iowa 2002) (“It is a fundamental doctrine of appellate review that issues must ordinarily be both raised and decided by the district court before we will decide them on appeal.”); cf. In re A.R., 316 N.W.2d 887, 888 , 889 n.2 (Iowa 1982) (“In ordinary civil cases tried to the court, the sufficiency of the evidence may be challenged on appeal even though not raised below.” (Emphasis added.)); Iowa R. | 2 | 2006–2006 |
| Christopher J. Godfrey v. State of Iowa Terry Branstad, Governor of the State of Iowa, Individually and in His Official Capacity Kimberly Reynolds, Lieutenant Governor of the State of Iowa, Individually and in Her Official Capacity Jeffrey Boeyink, Chief of Staff to the Governor of the State of Iowa, Individually and in His Official Capacity Brenna Findley, Legal Counsel to the Governor of The green | 1 | 2025–2025 |
| Kubik v. Burk green | 1 | 2025–2025 |
State of Iowa v. Deantay Darelle Williams
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1 sentence2025Hanes, in turn, claims that the issue could not have been presented below, citing State v. Williams, 895 N.W.2d 856 , 859 n.2 (Iowa 2017), for the proposition that error preservation requirements do not apply when a question is presented that only the supreme court can answer. | 1 | 2025–2025 |
Melissa Stender v. Anthony Zane Blessum
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1 sentence2025In any event, we cannot say from the record before us that Sheets’ “conduct which is claimed to be negligent is so clear it can be recognized or inferred by a person who is not an attorney.” Kubik, 540 N.W.2d at 64 ; cf. Stender, 897 N.W.2d at 506 n.8 (listing examples “of obvious attorney errors”). | 1 | 2025–2025 |
| Hildreth v. City of Des Moines green | 1 | 2024–2024 |
| Cutter v. Wilkinson green | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.