10 Florida opinions name it 2 courts 1996–2025 1 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Florida courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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Kluger v. Whitegreen2 sentences2016The constitutional yardstick, which we applied in Martinez and Mullarkey for determining whether an access-to-courts violation occurred as a result of changes made to the workers’ compensation statutory scheme, is whether the scheme continues to provide “adequate, sufficient, and even preferable safeguards for an employee who is injured on the job.” Kluger, 281 So. 2d at 4 . 2016In the foundational case of Kluger v. White, 281 So. 2d 1, 4 (Fla. 1973), we set forth the test for determining whether an access-to-courts violation has occurred: [W]here a right of access to the courts for redress for a particular injury has been provided by statutory law predating the adoption of the Declaration of Rights of the [1968] Constitution of the State of Florida, or where such right has become a part of the common law of the State pursuant to [section 2.01, Florida Statutes], the Legislature is without power to abolish such a right without providing a reasonable alternative to pro | 3 | 6 |
John v. GDG Services, Inc.green2 sentences2011See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: “Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries- has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated.”) (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla.1983). 2011See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: "Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated. ") (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla. 1983). | 2 | 2 |
University of Miami v. Echartegreen2 sentences2014See Univ. of Miami v. Echarte, 618 So. 2d 189 (Fla. 1993) (“[W]e have also considered the other constitutional claims and hold that the statutes do not violate the right to trial by jury, equal protection guarantees, substantive or procedural due process rights, the single subject requirement, the taking clause, or the non- delegation doctrine.”). 2013In its opinion, this Court considered only whether the voluntary arbitration and noneconomic damages provisions of sections 766.207 and 766.209 satisfied the access-to-courts test set out in Kluger v. White, 281 So.2d 1 (Fla.1973), and concluded that the statutes provided a commensurate benefit for the loss of the right to fully recover noneconomic damages and, alternatively, that the Legislature’s tort reform was justified by an “overpowering public necessity,” for which “no alternative method of meeting such public necessity [was] shown.” Echarte, 618 So.2d at 195 (quoting Kluger, 281 So.2d | 1 | 2 |
Smith v. Stategreen2 sentences2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 1 |
Bass v. Department of Correctionsgreen1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 1 |
Mahoney v. Sears, Roebuck & Co.green1 sentence1996See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (Upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: "Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated." ) (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla.1983); Mahoney v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 419 So.2d 754, 755-56 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (The court noted that "while Section 44 | 1 | 1 |
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John v. GDG Services, Inc.
neutral
2 sentences2011See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: “Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries- has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated.”) (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla.1983). 2011See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: "Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated. ") (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla. 1983). | 2 | 1996–2011 |
Warren v. State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co.
green
1 sentence2017The district court then examined this Court’s decision in Warren v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., 899 So.2d 1090 (Fla. 2005), and concluded that the amendments authorizing the ex parte interviews were “a reasonable condition precedent to filing.suit,” Weaver, 170 So.3d at 882 . tThe district court also observed that the predecessor statute to section 766.106—setting forth the original presuit notice and screening requirements—has previously been upheld against an access to courts challenge. | 1 | 2017–2017 |
Henderson v. Crosby
green
2 sentences2017The First-District subsequently interpreted the word “significant” in the context of an access to courts challenge to mean “important” and “of consequence.” Henderson, 883 So.2d at 854 . 2017The First District subsequently interpreted the word “significant” in the context of an access to courts challenge to mean “important” and “of consequence.” Henderson, 883 So. 2d at 854 . | 1 | 2017–2017 |
Weaver v. Myers
green
2 sentences2017The district court then examined this Court’s decision in Warren v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co., 899 So.2d 1090 (Fla. 2005), and concluded that the amendments authorizing the ex parte interviews were “a reasonable condition precedent to filing.suit,” Weaver, 170 So.3d at 882 . tThe district court also observed that the predecessor statute to section 766.106—setting forth the original presuit notice and screening requirements—has previously been upheld against an access to courts challenge. 2017Id. (citing Lindberg v. Hosp. | 1 | 2017–2017 |
State v. Neil
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Johans
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Safford
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Wyatt v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Miranda v. Arizona
green
2 sentences2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Jackson v. Dugger
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
GBB Investments, Inc. v. Hinterkopf
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Haliburton v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Elam v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Jones v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Peterka v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Koon v. Dugger
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Wuornos v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Valentine v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Statewright
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Griffith v. Kentucky
green
2 sentences2001Any rule of law that substantially affects the life, liberty, or property of criminal defendants must be applied in a fair and evenhanded manner. "[T]he integrity of judicial review requires that we apply [rule changes] to all similar cases pending on direct review." Griffith[ v. Kentucky, 479 U.S. 314, 323 , 107 S.Ct. 708 , 93 L.Ed.2d 649 (1987)].... 2001Any rule of law that substantially affects the life, liberty, or property of criminal defendants must be applied in a fair and evenhanded manner. "[T]he integrity of judicial review requires that we apply [rule changes] to all similar cases pending on direct review." Griffith[ v. Kentucky, 479 U.S. 314, 323 , 107 S.Ct. 708 , 93 L.Ed.2d 649 (1987)].... | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Taylor v. State
green
1 sentence2001Hinterkopf, 343 So.2d at 901 . [5] See also Bass v. Department of Corrections, 684 So.2d 834, 835-36 (Fla. 1st DCA 1996) (striking on an access to courts analysis prison rules which impermissibly restricted inmates' ability to file legal actions while in disciplinary confinement). [6] See Wuornos v. State, 644 So.2d 1000 (Fla. 1994); Wyatt v. State, 641 So.2d 355 (Fla. 1994); Peterka v. State, 640 So.2d 59 (Fla. 1994); Elam v. State, 636 So.2d 1312 (Fla. 1994); Taylor v. State, 630 So.2d 1038 (Fla. 1993); Jackson v. Dugger, 633 So.2d 1051 (Fla.1993); Valentine v. State, 616 So.2d 971 (Fla.1993 | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Mahoney v. Sears, Roebuck & Co.
green
1 sentence1996See John v. GDG Servs., Inc., 424 So.2d 114, 116 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (Upholding against an access to courts challenge an amendment to section 440.15(3)(b), concerning permanent impairment benefits, this court reasoned: "Although we note the benefits under the new wage-loss provisions may result in reduced benefits, the right to recover for industrial injuries has not been so reduced as to be effectively eliminated." ) (emphasis added), decision approved, 440 So.2d 1286 (Fla.1983); Mahoney v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 419 So.2d 754, 755-56 (Fla. 1st DCA 1982) (The court noted that "while Section 44 | 1 | 1996–1996 |
Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.