45 Ohio opinions name it 5 courts 1993–2026 17 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Ohio courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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Eysoldt v. ProScan Imaginggreen2 sentences2024See, Campbell v. Krupp, 195 Ohio App.3d 573 , 2011- Ohio-2694, 961 N.E.2d 205, ¶ 16 (6th Dist.) See also, Eysoldt v. ProScan Imaging, 194 Ohio App.3d 630 , 2011-Ohio-2359 , 957 N.E.2d 780, ¶21 (1st Dist.) (finding the economic loss rule does not apply to intentional torts, as they are breaches of duties beyond those created by contract). 2024See, Campbell v. Krupp, 195 Ohio App.3d 573 , 2011- Ohio-2694, 961 N.E.2d 205, ¶ 16 (6th Dist.) See also, Eysoldt v. ProScan Imaging, 194 Ohio App.3d 630 , 2011-Ohio-2359 , 957 N.E.2d 780, ¶21 (1st Dist.) (finding the economic loss rule does not apply to intentional torts, as they are breaches of duties beyond those created by contract). | 5 | 5 |
Campbell v. Kruppgreen2 sentences2024See, Campbell v. Krupp, 195 Ohio App.3d 573 , 2011- Ohio-2694, 961 N.E.2d 205, ¶ 16 (6th Dist.) See also, Eysoldt v. ProScan Imaging, 194 Ohio App.3d 630 , 2011-Ohio-2359 , 957 N.E.2d 780, ¶21 (1st Dist.) (finding the economic loss rule does not apply to intentional torts, as they are breaches of duties beyond those created by contract). 2024See, Campbell v. Krupp, 195 Ohio App.3d 573 , 2011- Ohio-2694, 961 N.E.2d 205, ¶ 16 (6th Dist.) See also, Eysoldt v. ProScan Imaging, 194 Ohio App.3d 630 , 2011-Ohio-2359 , 957 N.E.2d 780, ¶21 (1st Dist.) (finding the economic loss rule does not apply to intentional torts, as they are breaches of duties beyond those created by contract). | 3 | 5 |
Windsor Med. Ctr., Inc. v. Time Warner Cable, Inc.green2 sentences2026Co. at ¶ 68. {¶31} To be sure, “[n]ot all tort claims fall under the economic loss rule.” Zak v. Airhart, 2021-Ohio-4399 , ¶ 44 (6th Dist.). “‘A plaintiff may pursue such a -17- Case No. 8-26-02 tort claim if it is “based exclusively upon [a] discrete, preexisting duty in tort and not upon any terms of a contract or rights accompanying privity.”’” Id., quoting Windsor Medical Center, Inc. v. Time Warner Cable, Inc., 2021-Ohio-158, ¶ 27 (5th Dist.), quoting Corporex Dev. & Constr. 2024We examine our decision in Windsor Medical Center, Inc. v. Time Warner Cable, Inc., 2021-Ohio-158 , 167 N.E.3d 23 (5th Dist.), which thoroughly discusses the economic loss doctrine. {¶38} In that case, Windsor Medical, a skilled nursing and senior living center, brought an action against Time Warner Cable, nka Spectrum, which by a contractual agreement provided the facility's telephone, internet, and cable service. | 2 | 4 |
Floor Craft Floor Covering, Inc. v. Parma Community General Hospital Ass'ngreen2 sentences2022Assn., 54 Ohio St.3d 1, 3 , 560 N.E.2d 206 (1990), quoting Prosser & Keeton, Law of Torts, 657, Section 92 (5 Ed.1984). {¶7} The issue in this case is whether the Breazeales suffered economic loss, and thus their negligence claims against IDE would be barred under the economic- loss rule, or whether they suffered property loss, to which the economic-loss rule would not apply. 2022Assn., 54 Ohio St.3d 1, 3 , 560 N.E.2d 206 (1990), quoting Prosser & Keeton, Law of Torts, 657, Section 92 (5 Ed.1984). {¶7} The issue in this case is whether the Breazeales suffered economic loss, and thus their negligence claims against IDE would be barred under the economic- loss rule, or whether they suffered property loss, to which the economic-loss rule would not apply. | 1 | 10 |
Sensenbrenner v. Rust, Orling & Neale, Architects, Inc.green2 sentences2021It remains the particular province of the law of contracts.’” Floor Craft, supra, at 3 , quoting Sensenbrenner, supra. {¶33} In effect, the economic-loss rule separates contract and tort claims by preventing a plaintiff from bringing a tort claim when the matter is properly resolved in contract. 2020It remains the particular province of the law of contracts.’” Floor Craft at 7, quoting Sensenbrenner v. Rust, Orling & Neale Architects, Inc., 374 S.E.2d 55, 58 (Va.1988). {¶ 21} Regarding product liability claims, the Supreme Court of Ohio has examined the economic-loss rule and stated that a commercial buyer seeking recovery from the seller for economic losses resulting from damage to the defective product itself may maintain a contract action for breach of warranty under the Uniform Commercial Code; however, in the absence of injury to persons or damage to other 11. property the commercial | 1 | 3 |
Nebraska Innkeepers, Inc. v. Pittsburgh-Des Moines Corp.green2 sentences2022Id. at paragraph two of the syllabus (“A commercial buyer seeking recovery from the seller for economic losses resulting from damage to the defective product itself may maintain a contract action for breach of warranty under the Uniform Commercial Code; however, in the absence of injury to persons or damage to other property, the commercial buyer may not recover for economic losses premised on tort theories of strict liability or negligence”). {¶ 27} The economic-loss doctrine is based on differences between tort law and contract law and it encompasses several key concepts. 2020Assn., 54 Ohio St.3d 1, 3 , 560 N.E.2d 206 (1990). 10. “‘[T]he well-established general rule is that a plaintiff who has suffered only economic loss due to another’s negligence has not been injured in a manner which is legally cognizable or compensable.’” Chemtrol at 44, quoting Nebraska Innkeepers, Inc. v. Pittsburgh–Des Moines Corp., 345 N.W.2d 124, 126 (Iowa 1984). {¶ 20} The economic-loss rule “stems from the recognition of a balance between tort law, designed to redress losses suffered by breach of a duty imposed by law to protect societal interests, and contract law, which holds that ‘pa | 1 | 2 |
Hdm Flugservice Gmbh v. Parker Hannifin Corporationgreen2 sentences2022If the purchaser of an integrated product could sue the manufacturer of a defective component for damage to the integrated product, then “the purchaser would be able to circumvent the economic loss rule by recovering in tort instead of being limited to contract remedies.” HDM Flugservice GmbH v. Parker Hannifin Corp., 332 F.3d 1025, 1031 (6th Cir.2003). “ ‘Since all but the very simplest of machines have component parts, [a contrary] holding would require a finding of “property damage” in virtually every case where a product damages itself. 2020Id. {¶ 25} Relying upon the holding in HDM Flugservice, federal district courts in Ohio have similarly concluded that damages to a final integrated product arising out of a defect in one of the product’s components do not constitute injury to other property and are thus only recoverable in contract under the economic-loss rule. | 1 | 2 |
Burr v. Board of County Commissionersgreen2 sentences2021Bd. of Commrs., 23 Ohio St.3d 69, 73 , 491 N.E.2d 1101 (1986). {¶26} The economic loss rule generally prevents recovery in tort of damages for purely economic loss. 2021Bd. of Commrs., 23 Ohio St.3d 69, 73 , 491 N.E.2d 1101 (1986). {¶26} The economic loss rule generally prevents recovery in tort of damages for purely economic loss. | 1 | 2 |
KSMAC Holdings, Ltd. v. Ice Zone Realty, Ltd.green1 sentence2025KSMAC Holdings, Ltd. v. Ice Zone Realty, Ltd., 2022-Ohio-1456, ¶ 51 (7th Dist.), citing Cohen v. Lamko, Inc., 10 Ohio St.3d 167, 169 (1984). {¶54} Summary judgment is appropriate on a fraud claim based on the economic loss doctrine where the claim is based on a breach of contract. | 1 | 1 |
Cohen v. Lamko, Inc.green1 sentence2025KSMAC Holdings, Ltd. v. Ice Zone Realty, Ltd., 2022-Ohio-1456, ¶ 51 (7th Dist.), citing Cohen v. Lamko, Inc., 10 Ohio St.3d 167, 169 (1984). {¶54} Summary judgment is appropriate on a fraud claim based on the economic loss doctrine where the claim is based on a breach of contract. | 1 | 1 |
State v. Gwynne (Slip Opinion)green1 sentence2025Co. v. Ironics, Inc., ¶ 88 (Dewine, J., concurring in judgment only) (noting that "[t]he majority's musings" about the economic-loss doctrine and the integrated-systems rule were non-binding dictum because none of the majority's ponderings were "necessary to resolve this dispute about the meaning of a contract"); and State v. Gwynne, 2019-Ohio-4761, ¶ 41 (Kennedy, J. and DeWine, J., concurring) (noting that the court's "ruminating" on an issue that was not properly before the court in a case decided several years earlier in 2016 rendered its discussion of that unrelated issue non-binding dictu | 1 | 1 |
Theuerkauf v. United Vaccines Division of Harlan Sprague Dawley, Inc.green1 sentence2024See also Theuerkauf v. United Vaccines Div. of Harlan Sprague Dawley, Inc., 821 F.Supp. 1238, 1242 (W.D. | 1 | 1 |
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Annett Holdings, Inc. v. Kum & Go, L.C.green2 sentences2022The economic-loss doctrine therefore prevents “the tortification of contract law.” Annett Holdings, Inc. v. Kum & Go, L.C., 801 N.W.2d 499, 503 (Iowa 2011). {¶ 29} The integrated-system rule helps determine whether the “other property” exception to the economic-loss doctrine applies in situations in which a defective component causes damage to a multicomponent product into which it is incorporated. 2022But while it may conceivably interest some to know that the economic-loss doctrine “prevents ‘the tortification of contract law,’ ” majority opinion at ¶ 28, quoting Annett Holdings, Inc. v. Kum & Go, L.C., 801 N.W.2d 499, 503 (Iowa 2011), or that the integrated-systems rule preserves the “ ‘ “distinction between warranty and strict products liability,” ’ ” id. at ¶ 30, quoting E. | 1 | 1 |
Daanen & Janssen, Inc. v. Cedarapids, Inc.green2 sentences2022See id. at 867, 872-873 (acknowledging that the integrated-system rule is designed to ensure that the economic-loss doctrine is not circumvented, thereby protecting parties’ ability to “set the terms of their own agreements”); Daanen & Janssen, Inc. v. Cedarapids, Inc., 216 Wis.2d 395 , 573 N.W.2d 842, ¶ 13 (1998) (stating that the economic-loss doctrine is designed to “protect commercial parties’ freedom to allocate economic risk by contract”). 16 January Term, 2022 {¶ 32} In fact, applying the rule here to bar coverage would undermine the principle that parties to an agreement should be allo 2022See id. at 867, 872-873 (acknowledging that the integrated-system rule is designed to ensure that the economic-loss doctrine is not circumvented, thereby protecting parties’ ability to “set the terms of their own agreements”); Daanen & Janssen, Inc. v. Cedarapids, Inc., 216 Wis.2d 395 , 573 N.W.2d 842, ¶ 13 (1998) (stating that the economic-loss doctrine is designed to “protect commercial parties’ freedom to allocate economic risk by contract”). 16 January Term, 2022 {¶ 32} In fact, applying the rule here to bar coverage would undermine the principle that parties to an agreement should be allo | 1 | 1 |
1325 North Van Buren, LLC v. T-3 Group, Ltd.green2 sentences2022The doctrine does not determine insurance coverage, which turns on the policy language” [emphasis added]); 1325 N. Van Buren, L.L.C. v. T- 3 Group, Ltd., 293 Wis.2d 410 , 2006 WI 94 , 716 N.W.2d 822, ¶ 59 (“although the economic loss doctrine may limit a party to contract rather than tort remedies, it does not determine insurance coverage” [emphasis added]). 2022The doctrine does not determine insurance coverage, which turns on the policy language” [emphasis added]); 1325 N. Van Buren, L.L.C. v. T- 3 Group, Ltd., 293 Wis.2d 410 , 2006 WI 94 , 716 N.W.2d 822, ¶ 59 (“although the economic loss doctrine may limit a party to contract rather than tort remedies, it does not determine insurance coverage” [emphasis added]). | 1 | 1 |
| McCarthy, Lebit, Crystal & Haiman Co. v. First Union Management, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Peter L. Battista, Jr. v. Lebanon Trotting Association, and John J. Carlo, Peter L. Battista, Jr. v. Lebanon Trotting Association, and John J. Carlogreen | 1 | 1 |
| Gulla v. Strausgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Palco Linings, Inc. v. Pavex, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Harrell v. Crystalgreen | 1 | 1 |
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Corporex Development & Construction Management, Inc. v. Shook, Inc.
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2 sentences2026Mgmt. v. Shook, Inc., 106 Ohio St. 3d 412 , 2005 Ohio 5409 , 835 N.E.2d 701 for the proposition that “the economic loss rule generally prevents recovery in tort of damages for purely economic loss.” In determining what constitutes an economic loss, the Eighth District has posited that, “[e]conomic losses are intangible losses that do not arise from tangible physical harm to persons or property.” RWP, inc. v. Fabrizi Trucking & Paving Co., Cuyahoga App. No. 87382, 2006 Ohio 5014, p20 . 2020As noted above, the economic-loss rule rests on the premise “that tort liability may not be imposed for purely economic damages.” Floor Craft Floor Covering, 54 Ohio St.3d at 3 , 560 N.E.2d 206 ; Corporex, 106 Ohio St.3d 412 , 2005-Ohio-5409 , 835 N.E.2d 701 , at ¶ 6. | 17 | 2005–2026 |
Haddon View Investment Co. v. Coopers
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2 sentences2016Although Plaintiffs rely on Haddon View Investment Co. v. Coopers & Lybrand, 70 Ohio St.2d 154 , 436 N.E.2d 212 (1982), to argue that their negligence claim falls under an exception to the economic loss doctrine because Defendant negligently misrepresented Galia’s beneficiary designations to Anthem, Plaintiffs fail to identify a preexisting duty in tort as was present in Hadden. 2016Although Plaintiffs rely on Haddon View Investment Co. v. Coopers & Lybrand, 70 Ohio St.2d 154 , 436 N.E.2d 212 (1982), to argue that their negligence claim falls under an exception to the economic loss doctrine because Defendant negligently misrepresented Galia’s beneficiary designations to Anthem, Plaintiffs fail to identify a preexisting duty in tort as was present in Hadden. | 4 | 2005–2016 |
Chemtrol Adhesives, Inc. v. American Manufacturers Mutual Insurance
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2 sentences2021Co., 42 Ohio St.3d 40, 42 , 537 N.E.2d 624 (1989). {¶26} This Court recently addressed the application of the economic loss rule to a fraud claim in Windsor Medical Center, Inc. v. Time Warner Cable, Inc., 5th Dist. 2021Co., 42 Ohio St.3d 40, 42 , 537 N.E.2d 624 (1989). {¶26} This Court recently addressed the application of the economic loss rule to a fraud claim in Windsor Medical Center, Inc. v. Time Warner Cable, Inc., 5th Dist. | 3 | 2008–2021 |
Rwp, Inc. v. Fabrizi Trucking Paving Co., Unpublished Decision (9-28-2006)
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1 sentence2026Mgmt. v. Shook, Inc., 106 Ohio St. 3d 412 , 2005 Ohio 5409 , 835 N.E.2d 701 for the proposition that “the economic loss rule generally prevents recovery in tort of damages for purely economic loss.” In determining what constitutes an economic loss, the Eighth District has posited that, “[e]conomic losses are intangible losses that do not arise from tangible physical harm to persons or property.” RWP, inc. v. Fabrizi Trucking & Paving Co., Cuyahoga App. No. 87382, 2006 Ohio 5014, p20 . | 1 | 2026–2026 |
Motorists Mut. Ins. Co. v. Ironics, Inc. (Slip Opinion)
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1 sentence2024Co. v. Ironics, Inc., 2022-Ohio-841, ¶ 68 . {¶ 26} Plus argues that the economic-loss rule did not bar its conversion claim because it was an intentional tort. | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Plus Mgt. Servs., Inc. v. Liberty Healthcare Corp.
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2 sentences2024Servs., Inc., v. Liberty Healthcare Corp., 2024-Ohio-3127 (2d Dist.). {¶ 37} On the surface, this appears to be a clear-cut instance where the economic loss doctrine would apply: Bigham’s negligence claim is a tort and is based on the contractual relationship with the Association. 2024Servs., Inc., v. Liberty Healthcare Corp., 2024-Ohio-3127 (2d Dist.). {¶ 37} On the surface, this appears to be a clear-cut instance where the economic loss doctrine would apply: Bigham’s negligence claim is a tort and is based on the contractual relationship with the Association. | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Pham Construction & Co., L.L.C. v. Tran
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2 sentences2024A plaintiff may pursue such a tort claim if it is “based exclusively upon [a] discrete, preexisting duty in [Cite as Pham Construction & Co., L.L.C. v. Tran, 2024-Ohio-634 .] tort and not upon any terms of a contract or rights accompanying privity.” Corporex [Dev. & Constr. 2024Id. at ¶ 27-28 [Cite as Pham Construction & Co., L.L.C. v. Tran, 2024-Ohio-634 .] {¶41} In accordance with our decision in Windsor Medical, we find the economic loss rule does not apply to bar Perfect 10’s counterclaim for civil theft of the $30,000 payment. | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Strategy Group for Media, Inc. v. Lowden
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1 sentence2023Delaware No. 12 CAE 03 0016, 2013-Ohio-1330, ¶ 30 . {¶38} Thus, “where a plaintiff has suffered only economic harm as a result of a defendant's breach of duty, the economic loss rule will bar the tort claim if the duty only arose by contract.” Campbell v. Krupp, 195 Ohio App.3d 573 , 2011-Ohio-2694 , ¶ 16 (6th Dist.); Corporex Dev. & Constr. | 1 | 2023–2023 |
Ineos USA L.L.C. v. Furmanite America, Inc.
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1 sentence2023Allen No. 1-14-06, 2014-Ohio-4996, ¶ 21 , citing Strategy Group for Media, Inc. v. Lowden, 5th Dist. | 1 | 2023–2023 |
B&J Resources, L.L.C. v. 28925 Lorain Inc.
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1 sentence2022Cuyahoga No. 105323, 2017-Ohio-7248, ¶ 16 . | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Motorists Mut. Ins. Co. v. Ironics, Inc.
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2 sentences2022The Economic-Loss Rule and the Lower Court’s Erroneous Decision {¶ 111} In its decision below, the Sixth District Court of Appeals concluded that there was no coverage under the CGL policy because “the economic-loss rule applies in this case” and bars coverage for the manufacturer’s “negligence and product liability claims.” 2020-Ohio-137 , 151 N.E.3d 1001, ¶ 28 . 2022The Economic-Loss Rule and the Lower Court’s Erroneous Decision {¶ 111} In its decision below, the Sixth District Court of Appeals concluded that there was no coverage under the CGL policy because “the economic-loss rule applies in this case” and bars coverage for the manufacturer’s “negligence and product liability claims.” 2020-Ohio-137 , 151 N.E.3d 1001, ¶ 28 . | 1 | 2022–2022 |
American Family Mutual Insurance v. American Girl, Inc.
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2 sentences2022Girl, Inc., 268 Wis.2d 16 , 2004 WI 2 , 673 N.W.2d 65, ¶ 35 . {¶ 114} With the economic-loss doctrine removed from our coverage analysis, we can do as the policy instructs and focus on whether there was property damage caused by an occurrence. 2022Girl, Inc., 268 Wis.2d 16 , 2004 WI 2 , 673 N.W.2d 65, ¶ 35 . {¶ 114} With the economic-loss doctrine removed from our coverage analysis, we can do as the policy instructs and focus on whether there was property damage caused by an occurrence. | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Kiernan v. Ward
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1 sentence2022Summit No. 29994, 2022-Ohio-1303, ¶ 30 . {¶23} Mr. Carter argues that his negligent misrepresentation claim should not have been barred under the economic loss rule because the rule does not apply if the defendant possessed a pecuniary interest in the transaction, citing McCarthy, Lebit, Crystal & Haiman Co., L.P.A. v. First Union Mgt., Inc., 87 Ohio App.3d 613, 632 (8th Dist.1993). | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Lamar Homes, Inc. v. Mid-Continent Casualty Co.
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2 sentences2022That rule, however, has no application in this context. {¶ 112} As the majority opinion thoroughly explains in its analysis of the umbrella policy, the economic-loss doctrine “is based on differences between tort law and contract law,” majority opinion at ¶ 27, and is useful only to the extent that it helps determine whether liability sounds in tort or in contract, id. at ¶ 28. {¶ 113} The economic-loss doctrine thus might be useful as “a liability defense or remedies doctrine,” Lamar, 242 S.W.3d at 13 , but it “is not a useful tool for determining insurance coverage,” id. at 12 . 2022That rule, however, has no application in this context. {¶ 112} As the majority opinion thoroughly explains in its analysis of the umbrella policy, the economic-loss doctrine “is based on differences between tort law and contract law,” majority opinion at ¶ 27, and is useful only to the extent that it helps determine whether liability sounds in tort or in contract, id. at ¶ 28. {¶ 113} The economic-loss doctrine thus might be useful as “a liability defense or remedies doctrine,” Lamar, 242 S.W.3d at 13 , but it “is not a useful tool for determining insurance coverage,” id. at 12 . | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Decuzzi v. City of Westlake
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2 sentences2022This is also similar to the other requests, exemplified by the second set of interrogatories, request eight to BT: “With respect to affirmative defense no. 8 of Your Answer, which provides, ‘Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the economic loss doctrine,’ please identify, describe and/or set forth all evidence in support of this affirmative defense.” This court, relying in part on Decuzzi, 191 Ohio App.3d 816 , 2010- Ohio-6169, 947 N.E.2d 1229 (8th Dist.), found that the objection to the request sufficiently raised the work-product issue and the trial court’s decision to compel production was a f 2022This is also similar to the other requests, exemplified by the second set of interrogatories, request eight to BT: “With respect to affirmative defense no. 8 of Your Answer, which provides, ‘Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the economic loss doctrine,’ please identify, describe and/or set forth all evidence in support of this affirmative defense.” This court, relying in part on Decuzzi, 191 Ohio App.3d 816 , 2010- Ohio-6169, 947 N.E.2d 1229 (8th Dist.), found that the objection to the request sufficiently raised the work-product issue and the trial court’s decision to compel production was a f | 1 | 2022–2022 |
| Wausau Tile, Inc. v. County Concrete Corp. green | 1 | 2022–2022 |
| East River Steamship Corp. v. Transamerica Delaval Inc. green | 1 | 2022–2022 |
| Parrish v. Jones green | 1 | 2018–2018 |
| White v. Leimbach green | 1 | 2018–2018 |
| Iacono v. Anderson Concrete Corp. green | 1 | 2015–2015 |
| Carasalina, L.L.C. v. Smith Phillips & Assocs. neutral | 1 | 2015–2015 |
| Ohio Department of Administrative Services v. Robert P. Madison International, Inc. green | 1 | 2015–2015 |
| Bungard v. Dept. of Job Family Servs., 07ap-447 (11-27-2007) green | 1 | 2012–2012 |
| Textron Financial Corp. v. Nationwide Mutual Insurance green | 1 | 2010–2010 |
| Blon v. Bank One, Akron, N.A. green | 1 | 2010–2010 |
| State ex rel. R.T.G., Inc. v. State green | 1 | 2006–2006 |
| United Telephone Co. v. Williams Excavating, Inc. green | 1 | 2006–2006 |
| State ex rel. R.T.G., Inc. v. State green | 1 | 2006–2006 |
| Temple v. Fence One, Inc., Unpublished Decision (12-15-2005) green | 1 | 2006–2006 |
| LaPuma v. Collinwood Concrete green | 1 | 2005–2005 |
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.