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discussed Cited "but see" People v. Robles CA5
Cal. Ct. App. · 2021 · signal: but see · confidence high
(See People v. Farell (2002) 28 Cal.4th 381 , 384 fn. 2 [“The record of the oral pronouncement of the court controls over the clerk’s minute order”]; but see People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898 , 901–902 [“The fact a person is granted probation, rather than a pardon, gives rise to the implication there are conditions.
discussed Cited "but see" State v. Ketchum (2×)
W. Va. · 1981 · signal: but see · confidence high
See, e.g., Shaw v. State, 391 So.2d 754 (Fla. App. 1980) (jailed probationer did not have to formally notify officer of move because officer had constructive notice); Kotowski v. State, 344 So.2d 620 (Fla. App. 1977) (evicted probationer did not have to notify officer before move); Robertson v. Maggio, 341 So.2d 366 (La. 1976) (probation not revoked for delay in reporting change of address); Aguilar v. State, 542 S.W.2d 871 (Tex. App. 1976) (probation not revoked for traveling outside state without consent of court, which was required, when officer consented); but see, People v. Thrash, 80 Cal…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Jones CA4/1
Cal. Ct. App. · 2023 · confidence medium
(See People v. Relkin (2016) 6 Cal.App.5th 1188, 1195 [“the condition’s limitation on interstate travel is closely tailored to the purpose of monitoring defendant’s travel to and from California not by barring his ability to travel altogether but by requiring that he first obtain written permission before doing so”]; In re Antonio R. (2000) 78 Cal.App.4th 937, 942 (Antonio R.) [a minor’s constitutional rights were not “impermissibly burdened” by a probation condition restricting travel to Los Angeles County from Orange County in light of the “safety valve” that allowed such t…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Macovichuk CA4/1
Cal. Ct. App. · 2023 · confidence medium
(Relkin, supra, 6 Cal.App.5th at p. 1195 [“the condition’s limitation on interstate travel is closely tailored to the purpose of monitoring defendant’s travel to and from California not by barring his ability to travel altogether but by requiring that he first obtain written permission before doing so”]; In re Antonio R. (2000) 78 Cal.App.4th 937, 942 (Antonio R.) [a minor’s constitutional rights were not “impermissibly burdened” by a probation condition restricting travel to Los Angeles County from Orange County in light of the “safety valve” that allowed such travel with th…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) In re J.A. CA2/4
Cal. Ct. App. · 2021 · confidence medium
If so, those conditions will have only prospective effect, as appellant has not yet received fair warning that he may be punished for violating their terms, and such warning cannot be provided 5 retroactively. probation officer by imposing unspecified “‘usual terms and conditions’” of probation, where minor did not request clarification of court’s “short-cut phrase”]; People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 902 [affirming revocation of defendant’s probation for violation of no-travel condition, where defendant did not claim he was unaware condition had been imposed].) 5 Give…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) In re A.C. CA2/6
Cal. Ct. App. · 2020 · confidence medium
(See Antonio R., supra, 78 Cal.App.4th at pp. 941-942 [minor was properly required to 9 obtain probation officer’s permission before traveling to Los Angeles County, where he committed his crimes]; People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 902 [upholding probation condition providing that the defendant was not to “leave town” without prior approval from his probation officer].) Here, there is ample evidence in the probation report to support the trial court’s finding that the challenged condition is reasonably related to appellant’s future criminality.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. P.O.
Cal. Ct. App. · 2016 · confidence medium
(See In re Frankie J. (1988) 198 Cal.App.3d 1149, 1152-1155 [ 244 Cal.Rptr. 254 ]; People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 900-902 [ 146 Cal.Rptr. 32 ].) 5 Although P.O. did not object to the good-behavior conditions below, no objection was necessary to preserve his claim that they are facially vague.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Kevin F.
Cal. Ct. App. · 2015 · confidence medium
(See People v. Gabriel (2010) 189 Cal.App.4th 1070, 1073 [ 117 Cal.Rptr.3d 513 ] [oral probation conditions controlled]; People v. Pirali (2013) 217 Cal.App.4th 1341, 1346 [ 159 Cal.Rptr.3d 335 ] [whether oral or written conditions prevail depends on circumstances of case]; People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 901 [ 146 Cal.Rptr. 32 ] [probation conditions “need not be spelled out in great detail in court as long as the defendant knows what they are”].) Even assuming Minor is correct that the court’s oral statement is the operative condition, we modify it to read as stated in the p…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Davis CA3
Cal. Ct. App. · 2014 · confidence medium
(People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 901-902 [conditions of probation “need not be spelled out in great detail in court as long as the defendant knows what they are”].) However, mandatory supervision and probation are not the same.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Elmachtoub CA6
Cal. Ct. App. · 2014 · confidence medium
Any differences between them were de minimis.9 (See People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 901 [probation conditions need not be spelled out in great detail in court.]) We decline to strike these conditions from the protective order.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People v. Elmachtoub CA6
Cal. Ct. App. · 2013 · confidence medium
Any differences between them were de minimis.9 (See People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 901 [probation conditions need not be spelled out in great detail in court.]) We decline to strike these conditions from the protective order.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) In re D.R. CA1/4
Cal. Ct. App. · 2013 · confidence medium
Unlike its authority regarding other aspects of sentencing, a trial court retains continuing authority to revoke or modify probation terms. “[A] grant of probation is not part of the judgment that creates vested rights; the court has the authority to revoke, modify or change its order.” (People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 900-901 (Thrash); see also People v. Labarbera (1949) 89 Cal.App.2d 639, 643 .) As a result, courts can change 3 or add conditions of probation, which “need not be spelled out in great detail in court as long as the defendant knows what they are; to require reci…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Kunkel
N.D. · 1990 · confidence medium
Thus, § 12.1-32-07 listed the various conditions of probation in two separate provisions, one of which contained a mandatory proscription against the commission of further criminal offenses, and the other which allowed courts the option to proscribe, or require, certain noncriminal conduct by the defendant. 2 It has been held that “[t]he proscription against criminal conduct is so basic that it is a condition of probation even if it is not expressly set forth in the [probation] order.” People v. Thrash, 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 902 , 146 Cal.Rptr. 32, 35 (1978).
discussed Cited "see" In re M.S. CA5
Cal. Ct. App. · 2024 · signal: see · confidence high
“Imposing a limitation on probationers’ movements as a condition of probation is common.” (People v. Moran, supra, 1 Cal.5th at p. 406 ; see In re Antonio R. (2000) 78 Cal.App.4th 937 , 941–942.) A probation officer’s knowledge of probationer’s whereabouts “facilitates supervision and rehabilitation and helps ensure probationers are complying with the terms of their conditional release.” (Moran, at p. 406; see People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 902 [travel-restriction conditions “validly appl[y] to everyone because of the continuing supervision by the probation depart…
discussed Cited "see" People v. Rose CA1/5
Cal. Ct. App. · 2023 · signal: see · confidence high
Gallo v. Acuna (1997) 14 Cal.4th 1090, 1120 .) As to his constitutional challenges, the right to travel “is not absolute and may be reasonably restricted in the public interest.” (Relkin, supra, 6 Cal.App.5th at p. 1195 [upholding mandatory supervision condition requiring probation officer’s permission before leaving the state, noting it did not bar such travel altogether]; see People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898, 902 [upholding probation condition that the defendant not “leave town” without prior approval].) Similarly, the right to associate “ ‘may be restricted if reasona…
discussed Cited "see" People v. Baird CA2/6
Cal. Ct. App. · 2021 · signal: see · confidence high
(People v. Smith (1983) 33 Cal.3d 596, 599 .) “[P]robation conditions ‘need not be spelled out in great detail in court as long as the defendant knows what they 4 are; to require recital in court is unnecessary in view of the fact the probation conditions are spelled out in detail on the probation order.”’ (People v. Pirali (2013) 217 Cal.App.4th 1341, 1346 ; see People v. Thrash (1978) 80 Cal.App.3d 898 [defendant bound by travel restriction added to written probation terms after sentencing, signed by judge, and provided to defendant].) Here, the comments of the sentencing judge, comb…
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The PEOPLE, Plaintiff and Respondent,
v.
JOHN THRASH, Defendant and Appellant
Crim. 8694.
California Court of Appeal.
May 12, 1978.
80 Cal. App. 3d 898
Counsel, Tom Adler, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and Appellant., Evelle J. Younger, Attorney General, Jack R. Winkler, Chief Assistant Attorney General, Daniel J. Kremer, Assistant Attorney General, Alan S. Meth and Rudolf Corona, Jr., Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
Brown (Gerald).
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Opinion

BROWN (Gerald), P. J.

John Thrash appeals an order revoking his probation which was granted following his plea of guilty to one count of receiving stolen property (Pen. Code, § 496, subd. 1). After the plea, the court dismissed two counts of receiving stolen property and three counts of burglary (Pen. Code, § 459). The court granted a certificate of probable cause (Pen. Code, § 1237.5), following reinstatement of probation.

Contrary to a written condition of his probation, Thrash left California. He contends the court could not revoke his probation for this violation because he was never orally advised of this condition.

The probation officer’s report, filed September 29, 1975, did not contain any recommendations as to travel restrictions. When it placed Thrash on probation, the court said it suspended imposition of sentence on condition he serve one year in custody and “on other conditions set forth in the probation report.”

Thrash received a copy of an amended probation order. The preprinted portion of that order recites the travel restrictions. The amended order was signed October 6, 1975 nunc pro tunc September 29, 1975.

Thrash was not present at the time the travel restrictions were set and says he did not have a chance to object to that condition of probation. This he says leads to an anomalous result since he was required to be in court for sentencing (Pen. Code, § 977, subd. (b)) but had no opportunity to contest the terms of probation or to reject probation if the terms were too onerous (In re Osslo, 51 Cal.2d 371, 374 [334 P.2d 1]). However, a[*901] grant of probation is npt part of the judgment that creates vested rights; the court has the authority to revoke, modify or change its order. Thrash does not claim he did not know what the probation conditions were; he could have petitioned the court if he had wanted to challenge or reject the terms of his probation (People v. Labarbera, 89 Cal.App.2d 639, 643 [201 P.2d 584]).

Thrash argues if the court says he should have petitioned to challenge the conditions it merely begs the issue. He says the conditions of probation, especially the preprinted ones, are lost in the form; he points out the requirements of clarity and type size for automobile and installment sales contracts are more stringent than what is used on the probation order (see Civ. Code, § 2983.2, subd. (a)(8); § 1803.2, subd. (b). Compounding this problem, Thrash says, is the fact conditions of probation, if they are not mentioned in open court, will never be discussed because the attorney-client relationship has, for all practical purposes, ended. However, the probation officer-client relationship has begun and the comment to section 3.1(a) of the American Bar Association Project on Criminal Justice, Standards Relating to Probation, which Thrash cites, says the conditions of probation should be orally stated to the defendant either by the court or by the probation officer. Thrash’s underlying complaint, that a defendant should know the conditions of his grant of probation, is valid. However, here Thrash does not allege he did not know the conditions; although he fails to tell us how he found out about the conditions of his probation, he merely complains it should have been in another way, that is, in open court; this elevates form over substance.

Thrash claims the court’s duty at judgment to pronounce oral findings with regard to prior convictions is analogous to his proposed requirement concerning probation conditions. However, the fact of a prior conviction goes directly to the sentence and increases the penalty imposed. If in the pronouncement of judgment the defendant is to know the basis of his sentence, he must know whether the priors are included (People v. Mason, 34 Cal.App.3d 281, 293 [109 Cal.Rptr. 867]). In contrast, probation is an act of clemency which imposes no penalties unless the conditions of probation are broken (In re Hays, 120 Cal.App.2d 308, 310 [260 P.2d 1030]). The fact a person is granted probation, rather than a pardon, gives rise to the implication there are conditions. These conditions need not be spelled out in great detail in court as long as the defendant knows what they are; to require recital in court is unnecessary in view of the fact the probation conditions are spelled out in detail on[*902] the probation order and the probationer has a probation officer who can explain to him the contents of the order.

Thrash contends the conditions preprinted on the probation order form are invalid because they are on every form and, thus, are not tailored to the individual needs of the defendant and his circumstances and may not forbid conduct unless it is reasonably related to future criminality (People v. Lent, 15 Cal.3d 481, 486 [124 Cal.Rptr. 905, 541 P.2d 545]). The two conditions printed on the form are: the defendant is not to engage in any criminal or unlawful conduct and the defendant is not to leave town without getting permission from the proper authorities. The proscription against criminal conduct is so basic it is a condition of probation even if it is not expressly set forth in the order (People v. Lippner, 219 Cal. 395, 399 [26 P.2d 457]). As for the restriction on travel, it validly applies to everyone because of the continuing supervision by the probation department and the need to make sure the defendant meets the standards of the Uniform Act for Out-of-State Probationer and Parolee Supervisions before he is allowed to go to another state (Pen. Code, § 1203). Also it minimizes extradition problems.

The order revoking probation is affirmed.

Cologne, J., and Staniforth, J., concurred.

Appellant’s petition for a hearing by the Supreme Court was denied July 5, 1978.