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discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Delirium TV LLC v. Tran Dang
Tex. App. · 2024 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
when conducting this two-pronged arbitrability analysis, courts must not consider the merits of the underlying action
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Jesus Maravilla v. Gruma Corporation
5th Cir. · 2019 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
unless a defense relates specifically to the arbitration agreement, it must be submitted to the arbitrator as part of the underlying dispute.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Tittle v. Enron Corp (3×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see, e.g."
5th Cir. · 2006 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
when conducting this two-pronged arbitrability analysis, courts must not consider the merits of the underlying action.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Vera Wright v. Windows USA, LLC; and John Doe Entities, A-M
N.D. Miss. · 2026 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Lance Rotolo v. Energy Erectors, Inc. et al.
E.D. La. · 2026 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 2 LAW AND ANALYSIS The parties do not dispute that there is a valid agreement to arbitrate and that Plaintiff’s claims fall within the Arbitration Agreement’s scope.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Dahlia Doggins v. Ruiz Food Products, Inc.
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Phalisity Williams v. Transunion LLC and Kikoff Lending, LLC
N.D. Miss. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Purl v. Caremark, LLC
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) John A. Mansour v. Morgan Stanley
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Case transferred to the Southern District of New YorkJohn A. Mansour v. Morgan Stanley
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Lane v. Regions Bank
N.D. Miss. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Fortis Advisors, LLC v. Atos IT Solutions and Services Inc.
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Alexander v. Experian Information Solutions, Inc.
E.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Polk v. American Residential Services, LLC
S.D. Tex. · 2025 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (Sth Cir. 2002).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) KeyBank, N.A. v. David
Ohio Ct. App. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002) (mental- capacity issue should be decided by arbitrator, not the court). {¶28} Moreover, the Supreme Court of North Dakota has held that one’s alleged lack of contractual capacity is a threshold issue for the court to decide before ordering Case No. 24 MA 0028 –9– arbitration.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Brandt v. CNS Corporation
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Mitchell v. Mercedes Benz Group AG
N.D. Miss. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Sisodra Lodging, LLC v. Independent Specialty Insurance Company
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 2 All matters in dispute between you and us (referred to in this policy as “the parties”) in relation to this insurance, including this policy’s formation and validity, and whether arising during or after the period of this insurance, shall be referred to an Arbitration Tribunal in the manner described below.8 In its opposition to Defendant’s Motion, Plaintiff argues only that Louisiana Revised Statutes § 22:868 prohibits arbitration clauses in insurance contracts between Louisiana residents and domestic insurers.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Chubb Capital I Limited v. New Orleans City
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 81 Arthur Andersen, 556 U.S. at 625 . 82 Id. at 631 (internal quotations omitted). is DENIED; and Plaintiffs’ Motion to Strike Defendant’s Reply Brief in Support of its Motion to Compel Arbitration is DENIED.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Dean v. JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A.
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 12 Doc. 9 at 1.
cited Cited as authority (rule) 6101 Tullis Drive, LLC v. Interstate Fire & Casualty Insurance Company
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) First United Methodist Church of Houma v. Underwriters at Lloyds of London
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 16 Price v. Drexel Burnham Lambert, Inc., 791 F.2d 1156, 1158 (5th Cir. 1986). 17 United States v. Olano, 507 U.S. 725, 733 (1993); Morgan v. Sundance, 142 S. Ct. 1708, 1714 (2022) (holding that as the “federal rule of waiver does not include a prejudice requirement . . . [s]ection 6 instructs that prejudice is not a condition of finding that a party, by litigating too long, waived its right to stay litigation to compel arbitration under the FAA”). 18 Id. 19 Broussard v. First Tower Loan, LLC, 150 F. Supp. 3d 709, 725 (E.D.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Carrollton Street Properties, LLC v. Independent Specialty Insurance Company
E.D. La. · 2024 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 2 LAW AND ANALYSIS The arbitration clause in the Policy at issue provides that: All matters in dispute between you and us (referred to in this policy as “the parties”) in relation to this Insurance, including this policy’s formation and validity, and whether arising during or after the period of this insurance, shall be referred to an Arbitration Tribunal in the manner described below.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Envision Healthcare Corporation and The Official Committee of Unsecured Creditors <b><font color=\red\">Docket only in Remaining Case 23-90367.</font></b>"
Bankr. S.D. Tex. · 2023 · confidence medium
“Once the court finds that the parties agreed to arbitrate, it must consider whether any federal statute or policy renders the claims nonarbitrable.” Primerica Life Ins. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002) (quoting R.M.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) ADLER v. GRUMA CORPORATION (2×)
D.N.J. · 2023 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002) (collecting cases). “[A] challenge to the validity of the contract as a whole, and not specifically to the arbitration clause, must go to the arbitrator.” Jn re Labatt Food Serv., L.P., 279 S.W.3d 640, 648 (Tex. 2009) (collecting cases).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Bankston v. Imagine Pools Manufacturing North America, Inc
E.D. La. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 9 Sinners & Saints, L.L.C., 937 F. Supp. 2d at 845 . 10 Doc. 7-2 at 10. 11 Doc 7-2.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Access Funding v. Linton
Md. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472-73 (5th Cir. 2002).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Access Funding v. Linton
Md. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472-73 (5th Cir. 2002).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Thomas v. Overland Terrace Healthcare etc. CA2/1
Cal. Ct. App. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown (5th Cir. 2002) 304 F.3d 469, 472 (Primerica) where the court held that under the FAA the arbitrator, and not the trial court, was required to decide the merits of the plaintiff’s claim he lacked capacity to enter into the agreement at issue.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Forby v. One Technologies LP
N.D. Tex. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002) (citing Southland Corp. v. Keating, 465 U.S. 1, 10 (1984)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) LLOG Exploration Offshore, LLC v. Samson Contour Energy E & P LLC
E.D. La. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 8 See Doc. 16 at 5, 7–8. 9 See id. at 7–8. 10 9 U.S.C. § 3 . 11 975 F.2d 1161, 1164 (5th Cir. 1992). 12 Id. 13 See Doc. 15-2 at 8. however, does not support the proposition that dismissal is required when all issues are bound for arbitration.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Broussard v. Finwise Bank, Inc.
W.D. Tex. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002) (collecting cases).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Burstein v. AutoLotto, Inc.
W.D. Tex. · 2022 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002) (holding that plaintiff’s capacity defense argument must be submitted to arbitrator because it was directed at entire agreement and not specific challenge to arbitration clause); Snap-on Tools Corp. v. Mason, 18 F.3d 1261, 1267 (5th Cir. 1994) (submitting fraudulent inducement defense to arbitration because allegations of fraud did not relate to arbitration clause specifically).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Hepfinger v. Cintas Corporation
M.D. Fla. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) I. C. v. StockX, LLC (2×)
6th Cir. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 472 (5th Cir. 2002) (holding that under Prima Paint, an arbitrator must decide a mental capacity defense because it is “a defense to [the] entire agreement . . . and not a specific challenge to the arbitration clause”).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Priebe v. Advanced Structural Technologies, Inc.
E.D. La. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Barkley v. DONALD NORRIS ASSOCIATES, PLLC
Bankr. N.D. Miss. · 2021 · confidence medium
A, ¶ XVII). 14 9 U.S.C. § 2 . 15 , 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 16 , 531 U.S. 79, 81 (2000). 17 , 364 F.3d 260, 263 (5th Cir. 2004). a valid, enforceable contract under state law and whether the dispute falls within the scope of the arbitration agreement.18 Second, “[o]nce the court finds the parties agreed to arbitrate, it must consider whether any federal statute or policy renders the claim non-arbitrable.”19 A. The arbitration agreement is valid and applies to all defendants.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Kikuchi v. Silver Bourbon, Inc.
E.D. La. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 5 1.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Hardee v. CMH Homes, Inc
E.D. La. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Pelsia v. Supreme Offshore Services, Inc.
E.D. La. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Melaas v. Diamond Resorts U.S. Collection Development
N.D. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471-72 (5th Cir. 2002), the court held the issue of a party’s mental capacity to execute a contract was for the arbitrator to decide.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Morel v. U.S. Xpress, Inc.
E.D. La. · 2020 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Barkley v. DONALD NORRIS ASSOCIATES, PLLC
Bankr. N.D. Miss. · 2020 · confidence medium
The Agreement’s arbitration provision provides, in part: 4 , 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002). 5 , 531 U.S. 79, 81 (2000). 6 , 364 F.3d 260, 263 (5th Cir. 2004). 7 , 258 F.3d 443, 445-446 (5th Cir. 2001).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Hanna v. J. P. Morgan Chase & Company
M.D. La. · 2020 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Jennie Darrow v. Ingenesis Inc.
W.D. Tex. · 2020 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Reed v. Royal Sonesta, Inc.
E.D. La. · 2020 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Iheanacho v. Air Liquide Large Industries US LP
M.D. La. · 2020 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002); D.R.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Cajun Services Unlimited LLC v. Benton Energy Service Company
E.D. La. · 2019 · confidence medium
Co. v. Brown, 304 F.3d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 2002)).
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PRIMERICA LIFE INSURANCE CO.; Et Al., Plaintiffs, Primerica Life Insurance Co.; Primerica Financial Services, Inc.; Citigroup, Inc.; Sanford L. Weill; And CitiFinancial, Inc., Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
Catherine E. BROWN, Individually and in Her Representative Capacity for John E. Brown; John E. Brown, Defendants-Appellees
01-60852.
Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
Aug 28, 2002.
304 F.3d 469
Fred H. Krutz, III, John Chase Bryan, Forman, Perry, Watkins, Krutz & Tardy, Jackson, MS, Phillip S. McKinney, Christopher J. Willis, Richard H. Sinkfield (argued), Rogers & Hardin, Atlanta, GA, for CitiFinancial, Inc., William Eason Mitchell (argued), Albert Gamaliel Lewis, III, Susan Mason Donovan, Lewis & Mitchell, Tuscaloosa, AL, Winston James Thompson, The Colom Law Firm, Columbus, MS, for Defendants-Appellees.
Jones, Wiener, Dennis.
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Fred H. Krutz, III, John Chase Bryan, Forman, Perry, Watkins, Krutz & Tardy, Jackson, MS, Phillip S. McKinney, Christopher J. Willis, Richard H. Sinkfield (argued), Rogers & Hardin, Atlanta, GA, for CitiFinancial, Inc.

William Eason Mitchell (argued), Albert Gamaliel Lewis, III, Susan Mason Donovan, Lewis & Mitchell, Tuscaloosa, AL, Winston James Thompson, The Colom Law Firm, Columbus, MS, for Defendants-Appellees.

Appeals from the United States District Court for the Northern District of Mississippi.

Before JONES, WIENER and DENNIS, Circuit Judges.

EDITH H. JONES, Circuit Judge:

Lead Opinion

EDITH H. JONES, Circuit Judge:

John Brown sued CitiFinancial, Inc., and its affiliates (“Appellants”), in state court alleging breach of contract and related claims. Brown’s contract with CitiFinan-cial contains an arbitration clause requiring arbitration of his claims. CitiFinancial[*471] filed a petition to compel arbitration of Brown’s claims in federal district court, pursuant to § 4 of the Federal Arbitration Act (“FAA”), 9 U.S.C. § 4. The district court determined that Brown lacked the mental capacity to execute a contract under Mississippi law, and that Brown’s entire contract with CitiFinancial was void. On this basis, the district court refused to compel arbitration of Brown’s claims.

CitiFinancial now appeals and contends that the district court erred by reaching the merits of Brown’s capacity defense. Appellants contend that Prima Paint Corp. v. Flood & Conklin Mfg. Co., 388 U.S. 395, 87 S.Ct. 1801, 18 L.Ed.2d 1270 (1967), requires arbitration of Brown’s capacity defense. We agree', and reverse the judgment of the district court.

DISCUSSION

This court reviews de novo the grant or denial of a petition to compel arbitration pursuant to § 4 of the FAA. Webb v. Investacorp, 89 F.3d 252, 257 (5th Cir.1996). The FAA expresses a strong national policy favoring arbitration of disputes, and all doubts concerning the arbi-trability of claims should be resolved in favor of arbitration. Southland Corp. v. Keating, 465 U.S. 1, 10, 104 S.Ct. 852, 79 L.Ed.2d 1 (1984).

“Courts perform a two-step inquiry to determine whether parties should be compelled to arbitrate a dispute. First, the court must determine whether the parties agreed to arbitrate the dispute. Once the court finds that the parties agreed to arbitrate, it must consider whether any federal statute or policy renders the claims nonarbitrable.” R.M. Perez & Assoc., Inc. v. Welch, 960 F.2d 534, 538 (5th Cir.1992) (citing Mitsubishi Motors Corp. v. Soler Chrysler-Plymouth, 473 U.S. 614, 105 S.Ct. 3346, 87 L.Ed.2d 444 (1985)). When conducting this two-pronged analysis, courts must not consider the merits , of the underlying action. Snap-On Tools Corp. v. Mason, 18 F.3d 1261, 1267 (5th Cir.1994). “Under § 4 of the FAA, the federal district court ascertains only whether, the arbitration clause covers the allegations at issue. ‘If the dispute is within the scope of the arbitration clause, the court may not delve further into the merits of the dis-r pute.’” Id. (quoting Municipal Energy Agency of Miss. v. Big Rivers Elec. Corp., 804 F.2d 338, 342 (5th Cir.1986)).

Brown’s contract with CitiFinancial contains an express arbitration agreement. Brown’s state court claims fall within the scope of the arbitration agreement. There are no external impediments to the arbi-trability of Brown’s claims.[1] Therefore, a straightforward application of the required two-pronged inquiry supports CitiFinan-eial’s petition to compel arbitration.

The district court nevertheless refused to compel arbitration by delving into the merits of the underlying dispute. Specifically, the district court determined that Brown lacked the capacity to contract under Mississippi law. As explained above, the district court’s inquiry when reviewing a petition to compel arbitration is limited. “[T]he merits of the underlying dispute are for the arbitrator to consider, not for this Court or the district court.” Snap-On [*472] Tools Corp., 18 F.3d at 1267. Brown’s capacity defense is part of the underlying dispute between the parties, and the defense must be submitted to the arbitrator.

In Prima Paint, the Court held that, under § 4 of the FAA, the “making” of an agreement to arbitrate was not called into question by an allegation that the entire contract was void as fraudulently induced. 388 U.S. at 403-04, 87 S.Ct. 1801. “[The FAA] does not permit the federal court to consider claims of fraud in the inducement of the contract generally ... A federal court may consider only issues relating to the making and performance of the agreement to arbitrate.” Id. Accordingly, unless a defense relates specifically to the arbitration agreement, it must be submitted to the arbitrator as part of the underlying dispute.

This court has applied the Prima Paint rule on numerous occasions. See Snap-On Tools Corp., 18 F.3d at 1267-68 (submitting fraudulent inducement defense to arbitration because allegations of fraud did not specifically relate to the arbitration clause); R.M. Perez & Assoc., Inc., 960 F.2d at 538-39 (submitting allegations of fraud in obtaining signatures to contract to arbitration because defense was not specific to the arbitration agreement); Lawrence v. Comprehensive Business Serv. Co., 833 F.2d 1159, 1162 (5th Cir.1987) (submitting illegality defense to arbitration because it did not specifically relate to arbitration clause); Mesa Operating Ltd. Partnership v. Louisiana Intrastate Gas Corp., 797 F.2d 238, 244 (5th Cir.1986) (submitting claim that contract was void ab initio to arbitration because parties failed to demonstrate that the arbitration agreement was “invalid separately from the entire contract”).

As in each of these cases, Brown’s capacity defense is a defense to his entire agreement with CitiFinaneial and not a specific challenge to the arbitration clause. Therefore, Brown’s capacity defense is part of the underlying dispute between the parties which, in light of Prima Paint and its progeny, must be submitted to the arbitrator.[2] We need not reach the other issues raised by the parties.

CONCLUSION

For the reasons stated above, we REVERSE the judgment of the district court and REMAND for proceedings consistent with this opinion.

1

Brown also argues that arbitration costs render the arbitration clause "substantively unconscionable.” The Supreme Court, in Green Tree Financial Corp. v. Randolph, 531 U.S. 79, 91-92, 121 S.Ct. 513, 148 L.Ed.2d 373 (2000), explained that "a party seeking to avoid arbitration on the ground that arbitration would be prohibitively expensive” bears the burden of showing the likelihood of incurring prohibitive costs. Brown has failed to carry this burden. Brown also suggests that the arbitration agreement is "procedurally unconscionable”- on other grounds. This argument is without merit.

2

The district court determined that the Prima Paint rule applied to defenses which render a contract voidable, but did not apply to defenses which render a contract void. This distinction is inconsistent with Mesa Operating, which applied the Prima Paint rule to a defense which, if proven, would have rendered the contract containing the arbitration clause “void as never having been entered into.” 797 F.2d at 244; see also Lawrence, 833 F.2d at 1162 (following Mesa Operating and submitting illegality defense to arbitrator).

Concurrence

DENNIS, Circuit Judge,

concurring:

I concur in the judgment of the majority opinion. I write separately to note the district court’s finding, which the parties apparently do not dispute, that Mr. Brown “has been profoundly retarded since birth.” The district court also found that the loan agency “required him to sign the loan agreement containing the arbitration clause by printing his name on a piece of paper and having him copy it on the appropriate line.” Under Mississippi law, contracts entered into by incompetent persons are voidable. See Williams v. Wilson, 335 So.2d 110, 112 (Miss.1976) (stating that a contract made by an incompetent “may be avoided on the ground of insanity”). Similarly, when a party contracting with an incompetent has knowledge of the incompetent’s condition, the contract “will be[*473] rescinded.” Id. at 112-13 (emphasis added).

Against this backdrop, I note the grounds on which this Court will vacate a decision of an arbitrator: (1) the award is contrary to public policy, (2) the award is arbitrary and capricious, (3) the award fails to draw its essence from the underlying contract, and (4) the award is in manifest disregard of the law. See Williams v. Cigna Fin. Advisors Inc., 197 F.3d 752, 758, 761-62 (5th Cir.1999). Hence, if the facts are as they appear to be on the record before us, I can conceive of no way in which the contract underlying this action could be enforced against the profoundly retarded and incompetent Mr. Brown.

Finally, with regard to the broad statement that “unless a defense relates specifically to the arbitration agreement, it must be submitted to the arbitrator as part of the underlying dispute” and the related footnote two, I note that this circuit has not considered the authority of other circuits applying the Prima Paint rule to the distinction between voidable contracts and those contracts deemed not to have existed. We have decided that the question of whether a contract as a whole was illegal must be submitted to arbitration. See Lawrence v. Comprehensive Bus. Servs. Co., 833 F.2d 1159 (5th Cir.1987); Mesa Operating Ltd. P’ship v. Louisiana Intrastate Gas Corp., 797 F.2d 238 (5th Cir.1986). But we have not yet thoroughly analyzed or squarely decided whether challenges going to the very existence of a contract must be submitted to arbitration. Other circuits have split on this question. See, e.g., Three Valleys Mun. Water Dist. v. E.F. Hutton & Co., 925 F.2d 1136 (9th Cir.1991) (no); I.S. Joseph Co. v. Michigan Sugar Co., 803 F.2d 396 (8th Cir.1986) (no); Cancanon v. Smith Barney, Harris, Upham & Co., 805 F.2d 998 (11th Cir.1986) (no); Unionmutual Stock Life Ins. Co. v. Beneficial Life Ins. Co., 774 F.2d 524 (1st Cir.1985) (yes); Par-Knit Mills, Inc. v. Stockbridge Fabrics Co., 636 F.2d 51 (3d Cir.1980) (no). Because it is not necessary for us to reach that question here, the majority opinion’s statements thereon are dicta, in which I do not join.