Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortg. Corp., 316 F.3d 1 (1st Cir. 2003). · Go Syfert
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“acts undertaken in violation of the automatic stay are . . . void”
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discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Bank of New York Mellon v. 732 Hardy Way Trust
9th Cir. · 2021 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
acts undertaken in violation of the automatic stay are . . . void
cited Cited as authority (rule) Kaveh Askari v. Pharmacy Corp of America
3rd Cir. · 2022 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 4 (3d Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Pope v. US Bank, National Association, as Legal Title Trus
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Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir. 2003)). 2.
cited Cited as authority (rule) (PS) Alston v. LLoyd
E.D. Cal. · 2019 · confidence medium
Eminence Capital, LLC v. Aspeon, Inc., 316 F.3d 1 1048, 1052 (9th Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) (PS) Alston v. LLoyd
E.D. Cal. · 2019 · confidence medium
Eminence Capital, LLC v. Aspeon, Inc., 316 F.3d 1 1048, 1052 (9th Cir. 2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Thomas v. Seterus Inc. (In re Thomas) (2×) also: Cited "see"
Bankr. M.D. Ala. · 2016 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3-4 (1st Cir.2003), and In re Sims, 278 B.R. 457, 471 (Bankr.E.D.Tenn.2002)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Sapphire Development, LLC v. McKay
D. Conn. · 2016 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 4 (1st Cir.2003) (noting that automatic stay provision “is designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings.”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Crawford v. Hertzberg (In re Hertzberg)
Bankr. W.D. Pa. · 2014 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (“automatic stay provision is designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside of the bankruptcy proceedings.”) What is evident is that the automatic stay is a powerful component of relief afforded under the Bankruptcy Code.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Silverstrand Investments v. Amag Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
1st Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 6-7 (1st Cir.2003) (stating that leave to amend may be denied “as a matter of law, where a proposed amendment would not cure the deficiencies in the original complaint”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Soto-Rios v. Banco Popular De Puerto Rico
1st Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (noting that automatic stay provision is designed to “forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings”); 229 Main St., 262 F.3d at 9-10 (reviewing policy for exception to trustee strong arm power).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Terry D. Jacks v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.
11th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Terry D. Jacks v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.
11th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir. 2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Jacks v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. (In Re Jacks)
11th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Knowles v. Bayview Loan Servicing, LLC (In Re Knowles)
1st Cir. BAP · 2011 · confidence medium
Additionally, the fact that these fees were omitted from the proof of claim “[does] not constitute the sort of overt, affirmative act stayed by § 362(a).” Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp. (In re Mann), 316 F.3d 1, 6 (1st Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Redmond v. Fifth Third Bank (2×)
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3-4 (1st Cir.2003) (citing 11 U.S.C. § 362 (a)). *801 Payoff letters, however, are not acts of collection and therefore do not constitute violations of the automatic stay.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Redmond, James A. v. Fifth Third Bank (2×)
7th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3-4 (1st Cir. 2003) (citing 11 U.S.C. § 362 (a)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Fitch v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.
E.D. La. · 2010 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (finding that post-petition bookkeeping entry not communicated to debtor or other creditors, the bankruptcy court, nor any third party does not constitute attempt to collect property in violation of automatic bankruptcy stay); In re Padilla, 379 B.R. 643, 664 (Bkrtcy.S.D.Tex.2007).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Cano v. GMAC Mortgage Corp. (In Re Cano)
Bankr. S.D. Tex. · 2009 · confidence medium
The mere posting of a charge or sending a default notice, without more, is not “an act to obtain possession.” Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Moffitt v. America's Servicing Co. (In Re Moffitt)
Bankr. E.D. Ark. · 2009 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003); Padilla v. Wells Fargo, 379 B.R. at 664 (citing Mann); Jones, 366 B.R. at 600 , n. 64 (citing Mann).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Price v. America's Servicing Co. (In Re Price)
Bankr. E.D. Ark. · 2009 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003); Padilla v. Wells Fargo, 379 *790 B.R. at 664 (citing Mann); Jones, 366 B.R. at 600 , n. 64 (citing Mann).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Myles v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. (In Re Myles)
Bankr. M.D. La. · 2008 · confidence medium
Wells Fargo relies on Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003), where the court held that “post-petition bookkeeping entries by Chase did not implicate Bankruptcy Code § 362(a)(3).” The Mann court reasoned that unilaterally accruing amounts supposedly due, but not communicating these acts to the debtor, did not violate the automatic stay.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Padilla v. Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, Inc. (In Re Padilla)
Bankr. S.D. Tex. · 2007 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) In Re Sullivan
Bankr. N.D.N.Y. · 2007 · confidence medium
In support of that contention, Shapiro cites In re Mann, 316 F.3d 1, 6-7 (1st Cir.2003) (holding that “postpetition bookkeeping entries by [mortgagee] did not implicate Code § 362(a)(3), since such unilateral accruals of amounts assertedly due, but in no manner communicated to the debtor ... plainly are not the sort of ‘act’ Congress sought to proscribe.”) See Shapiro Memorandum, p. 3 As for the $350 of the “Bankruptcy Attorney Fees” attributable to the post-confirmation period, Shapiro argues that collecting this amount from the Debtor was not an action against property of the es…
cited Cited as authority (rule) Empresas Inabon, Inc. v. Gotay (In Re Empresas Inabon, Inc.)
Bankr. D.P.R. · 2006 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 5 (1st Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Merrill v. MBNA America Bank, N.A. (In Re Merrill)
Bankr. D. Me. · 2006 · confidence medium
Cavanaugh, 271 B.R. at 422 ; Soares v. Brockton Credit Union (In re Soares), 107 F.3d 969, 975 (1st Cir.1997) (“automatic stay is among the most basic of debtor protections under bankruptcy law” and “courts must display a certain rigor in reacting to violations”); Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3-4 (1st Cir.2003); see also Bright v. Washington Mutual Bank, F.A.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Kenosha Hospital & Medical Center v. Garcia (2×)
Wis. · 2004 · confidence medium
Fla. 1997). [37] Local Loan Co. v. Hunt, 292 U.S. 234 (1934). [38] Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir. 2003) (citing Soares v. Brockton Credit Union, 107 F.3d 969, 975-76 (1st Cir. 1997)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Smith v. Fairbanks Capital Corp. (In Re Smith)
Bankr. S.D. Ga. · 2003 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) In Re Flores
Bankr. S.D.N.Y. · 2003 · confidence medium
Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (“[T]he automatic stay provision is designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings”) (citing Soares v. Brockton Credit Union (In re Soares), 107 F.3d 969, 975-76 (1st Cir.1997)); Pintlar Corp. v. Fidelity and Casualty Co. of New York (In re Pintlar Corp.), 124 F.3d 1310, 1313 (9th Cir.1997) (“Its purpose is to ‘prevent[] dismemberment of the estate, ensure[ ] orderly liquidation, and grant[] the trustee time to familiarize himself with the various rights and interests in…
cited Cited "see" Shuford v. Citizens South Bank (In Re Yatko)
Bankr. W.D.N.C. · 2008 · signal: see · confidence high
See Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003); Bronson v. United States, 46 F.3d 1573, 1578 (Fed.Cir.1995).
discussed Cited "see" Guetling v. Household Financial Services, Inc. (2×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
M.D. Fla. · 2004 · signal: see · confidence high
See, Mann, 316 F.3d at 3 ; Smith, 299 B.R. at 687 .
cited Cited "see" Scott v. UNH Coop. Ext.
D.N.H. · 2004 · signal: see · confidence high
See Kearney, 316 F.3d at 23 (causal connection not established when plaintiff was dismissed after defendant conducted an evidentiary hearing that assured that plaintiff received procedural fairness).
cited Cited "see" Kenosha Hospital & Medical Center v. Garcia
Wis. Ct. App. · 2003 · signal: see · confidence high
See Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir. 2003).
cited Cited "see, e.g." Williams v. City of Tacoma
W.D. Wash. · 2024 · signal: see also · confidence medium
P. 15(a)(2); see also Eminence Capital, LLC v. Aspeon, Inc., 316 F.3d 1 1048, 1051 (9th Cir. 2003) (Leave to amend is applied “with extreme liberality.”).
cited Cited "see, e.g." Leach v. City of Tacoma
W.D. Wash. · 2024 · signal: see also · confidence medium
P. 15(a)(2); see also Eminence Capital, LLC v. Aspeon, Inc., 316 F.3d 1 1048, 1051 (9th Cir. 2003) (Leave to amend is applied “with extreme liberality.”).
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Ellison v. Commissioner
S.D.W. Va · 2008 · signal: see, e.g. · confidence medium
See, e.g., Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (“acts undertaken in violation of the automatic stay are not only void, but may expose the violator to monetary sanctions as well”) (citing In re Soares, 107 F.3d at 976 ); Middle Tenn. News Co. v. Charnel of Cincinnati, Inc., 250 F.3d 1077 , 1082 (7th Cir.2001) (“Actions taken in violation of an automatic stay ordinarily are void.”); Rexnord Holdings, Inc. v. Bidermann, 21 F.3d 522, 527 (2d Cir.1994) (“[A]ny proceedings or actions described in section 362(a)(1) are void and without vitality if they occur…
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Houston Pipeline Company, LP v. Bank of America, N.A., as Administrative Agent, and as Representative of the Wilmington Trust Company, Trustee of the Bammel Gas Trust
Tex. App. · 2006 · signal: see also · confidence medium
No. 595, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 340 (1977), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. 5963, 6297); see also Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp. , 316 F.3d 1, 3 (5th Cir. 2003) (stating, "automatic stay . . . serves the salutory purpose of deterring creditors from jockeying for advantage" and is thus "designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor's estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings").
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Houston Pipeline Co. v. Bank of America, N.A.
Tex. App. · 2006 · signal: see also · confidence medium
No. 595, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 340 (1977), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. 5963, 6297); see also Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003) (stating, “automatic stay ... serves the salutary purpose of deterring creditors from jockeying for advantage” and is thus “designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings”).
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Bright v. Washington Mutual Bank (In Re Bright)
1st Cir. BAP · 2006 · signal: see also · confidence medium
Retroactive Relief from Stay It is well settled in this circuit that actions taken in violation of the automatic stay are void and without legal effect. 4 See Soares, 107 F.3d at 976 (actions taken in violation of the automatic stay are void, unless there are equitable considerations); see also Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003); ICC v. Holmes Transp., Inc., 931 F.2d 984 , 987-88 (1st Cir.1991) (“Judicial actions and proceedings, as well as extrajudicial acts, in violation of the automatic stay, are generally void and without legal effect unless countenanced…
cited Cited "see, e.g." Spookyworld, Inc. v. Town of Berlin
1st Cir. · 2003 · signal: see, e.g. · confidence medium
See, e.g., Mann v. Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp., 316 F.3d 1, 3 (1st Cir.2003).
Retrieving the full opinion text from the archive…
Billings MANN and Cheryl Mann, Plaintiffs, Appellants,
v.
CHASE MANHATTAN MORTGAGE CORP., Defendant, Appellee
Christopher M. Lefebvre, with whom Law Offices of Claude Lefebvre & Sons, Daniel A. Edelman, Tara L. Goodwin and Edelman, Combs & Latturner were on brief for appellants., LeAnn Pedersen Pope, with whom Edward J. Lesniak, Burke, Warren, MacKay & Serritella, P.C., Melissa E. Darigan, and Partridge, Snow & Hahn, LLP were on brief for appellee.
Boudin, Torruella, Cyr.
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CYR, Senior Circuit Judge.

Plaintiff-appellants Billings and Cheryl Mann, husband and wife, appeal from a district court judgment which (i) dismissed their claim that Chase Manhattan Mortgage Company (“Chase”) violated the automatic stay provisions of the Bankruptcy Code, then (ii) denied their motions to amend the complaint. We affirm the district court judgment.

I

BACKGROUND

In 1998, the Manns and Chase entered into a $126,950 mortgage loan and related security agreement which conveyed a lien on the Manns’ principal residence. The security agreement provided, inter alia: “[Chase] may do and pay for whatever is necessary to protect the value of the Property and [its] rights in the Property ... [including] paying reasonable attorneys’ fees.... Any amounts disbursed by [Chase] under this paragraph ... shall become additional debt of the Borrower[s] secured by this Security Instrument.” [1]

After the Manns defaulted on their mortgage payments in 1988, Chase fixed a date for a foreclosure sale and advised the Manns that it planned to inspect the property. [2] On April 9, 1999, the Manns filed their joint chapter 13 petition.

The $7,342.08 proof of claim submitted by Chase in the ensuing chapter 13 proceedings included existing loan-payment arrearages ($5,698.55), as well as related prepetition attorney fees and inspection costs ($1,643.53). Moreover, unbeknownst to the Manns, Chase continued to accrue postpetition attorney fees against the Manns in its internal records, but neither submitted a proof of claim in the chapter 13 proceedings nor billed the Manns for the postpetition fees.

The bankruptcy court order confirming the chapter 13 plan (i) allowed the $7,342 proof of claim filed by Chase, representing the full m.ortgage arrearage and prepetition attorney fees, (ii) directed the Manns to make all future mortgage payments directly to Chase as and when due, [3] and (iii) prescribed that unsecured creditors were to receive not less than 17% on their allowed claims.

Following the confirmation of their chapter 13 plan, the Manns objected to the proof of claim filed by Chase, specifically challenging its inclusion of $1,643.53 in prepetition attorney fees and inspection costs. Before the bankruptcy court ruled on their objection, however, the Manns withdrew it, opting instead to institute[*3] their putative class-action lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Rhode Island. The class-action complaint alleged, inter alia, that Chase willfully violated the automatic stay provision, see Bankruptcy Code § 362, 11 U.S.C § 362, in that, “subsequent to plaintiffs ... filing bankruptcy,” Chase continued to “charge”—viz., record charges in its internal loan files—the Manns for attorney fees and inspection fees incurred postpetition.

Following discovery, Chase submitted its motion for summary judgment and the Manns submitted a motion to amend their complaint, claiming that Chase improperly included a $2.00 surcharge in each of its prepetition inspection charges. The motion to amend also sought to delete the Manns’ earlier allegation that Chase improperly had charged postpetition inspection fees. Subsequently, the Manns submitted another motion to amend their complaint so as to include Raul and Jo-Ann Rodrigues as coplaintiffs. The second amended complaint asserted that Chase recently had billed the Rodrigueses for $2,756.55 in postpetition attorney fees, notwithstanding its stated policy (reiterated in the instant appeal) that it does not attempt to collect such postpetition attorney fees from its mortgagors, provided they complete their chapter 13 plan payments and occasion no further mortgage-payment defaults.

The district court, in an unpublished opinion, directed summary judgment against the Manns on their section 362 claim, then denied their motions to amend the complaint.

II

DISCUSSION

A. The Automatic Stay

The Manns first contend that the mere recordation of postpetition, precon-firmation attorney fees incurred by Chase, on its internal books, violated the automatic stay, in that it constituted either (i) “an[ ] act to obtain possession of the property of the estate or of property from the estate or to exercise control over property of the estate,” 11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(3), or (ii) “an[ ] act to create, perfect, or enforce any lien against property of the estate,” id. § 362(a)(5). Of course, acts undertaken in violation of the automatic stay are not only void, see Soares v. Brockton Credit Union (In re Soares), 107 F.3d 969, 976 (1st Cir.1997), but may expose the violator to monetary sanctions as well, see 11 U.S.C § 362(h).

Generally speaking, the automatic stay prescribed in Bankruptcy Code § 362(a) serves the salutary purpose of deterring creditors from jockeying for advantage by, for instance: (i) seeking to convert an unsecured prepetition claim into a secured claim; (ii) obtaining actual possession of property of the chapter 13 estate; or (ni) attempting to perfect a judicial, statutory or other lien in such property. See In re Soares, 107 F.3d at 975-76. Thus, the automatic stay provision is designed to forfend against the disorderly, piecemeal dismemberment of the debtor’s estate outside the bankruptcy proceedings. See id.

Viewed in this fight, these postpetition bookkeeping entries by Chase did not implicate Bankruptcy Code § 362(a)(3), since such unilateral accruals of amounts assertedly due, but in no manner communicated to the debtor, the debtor’s other creditors, the bankruptcy court, nor any third party, plainly are not the sort of “act” Congress sought to proscribe. See, e.g., In re Sims, 278 B.R. 457, 471 (Bankr.E.D.Tenn.2002) (noting that “creditor could produce all kinds of paperwork which if communicated to a debtor or a third party would violate the stay, but[*4] absent that communication, some overt act, or resulting effect on the debtor, no [§ 362] violation has occurred ”) (collecting cases; emphasis added). Thus, the Manns’ property, presently revested in them following the confirmation of their chapter 13 plan, remains unaffected by the internal bookkeeping entries initiated by Chase. As a consequence, absent any overt attempt by Chase to recover these fees from the chapter 13 estate in the future, as (i) by instituting collection proceedings which the Manns or the chapter 13 estate would be forced to defend against, or (ii) by transmitting “harassing” communications to the Manns, the Chase bookkeeping entries represent mere unilateral notations regarding attorney fees which it assertedly incurred, thereby according it no identifiable legal advantage over other creditors.

Nor did these mere bookkeeping entries, albeit effected postpetition and preconfirmation, violate Bankruptcy Code § 362(a)(5). The security agreement states that Chase may include certain attorney fees in the Manns’ loan balance. Consequently, these postpetition entries do indeed pose the prospect that the amount due Chase, hence subject to its security interest, may increase. Nevertheless, a mere potentiality of future liability reasonably cannot be considered the “creation” of a new and enlarged lien. The Manns have made no evidentiary proffer that Chase has undertaken any action to modify its original record lien. Although a secured creditor may record a lien indicating an original amount certain (e.g., the original loan balance), the amount of a lien typically fluctuates during the term, as the debt- or repays the mortgage debt or other senior indebtedness, or as additional charges accrue to their loan account. Thus, until such time as Chase initiates some external effort, either to fix or recover upon, the amount of its secured or in rem indebtedness, the lien subsists simply as a recorded prepetition lien of indeterminate value. [4]

The case authority cited by the Manns is plainly distinguishable. For instance, in In re Stark, 242 B.R. 866 (Bankr.W.D.N.C.1999), the bankruptcy court imposed subsection 362(h) sanctions against a secured creditor on the grounds that (i) the loan documents accorded the secured creditor no express authority to assess postpetition inspection fees; and (ii) the creditor nonetheless “attempted to collect” the inspection fees by mailing the debtors monthly statements reflecting the postpetition inspection fees. Id. at 869, 872. [5] Chase, on the other hand, never communicated the attorney-fee charges to anyone; indeed, the Manns would not have learned of these charges but for their subsequent discovery proceedings before the district court. Cf. In re Soares, 107 F.3d at 975 (noting that automatic stay is designed to afford debtors “breathing room” free from creditor “harassment”).

B. Bankruptcy Code § 506(b)

Next, the Manns assert that Chase violated the automatic stay by failing to[*5] submit a preconfirmation request, pursuant to Bankruptcy Code § 506(b), [6] that any postpetition attorney fees be included in its allowed secured claim. Chase contends, on the other hand, that the Manns waived any “claim” based on a § 506(b) violation, by failing to include it in their several complaints.

Although Chase correctly states that the Manns failed to assert a § 506(b) “claim” in their various complaints, [7] their argument was squarely raised and adequately preserved — as a theoretical adjunct to their section 362 claim — in their opposition to summary judgment. Citing five cases, the Manns asserted: “The proper procedure for [Chase] to follow if it desires to be compensated for post-petition charges, is to request Court approval of those charges, pursuant to § 506 of the Code, and Bankruptcy Rule 2016.” In other words, the Manns contended that any unilateral imposition of postpetition fees by Chase must be violative of § 362(a), given that the Code establishes specific prerequisites and a particular mechanism for imposing such fees, viz., § 506(b).

Nevertheless, the Manns’ simple citation to Bankruptcy Code § 506(b) is insufficient to advance their § 362 claim on the merits. As a “significant exception” to the general rale that creditors cannot recover postpetition fees in bankruptcy proceedings, Bankruptcy Code § 506(b) permits an oversecured creditor to request that the bankruptcy court permit postpetition fees to be included in its oversecured claim, provided that the postpetition fees were (i) contemplated by the underlying contract; and (ii) “reasonable” in amount. See 4 Lawrence P. King, Collier on Bankruptcy ¶ 506.04[3] (15th rev. ed.2001). Since there are numerous circumstances in which a chapter 13 discharge would not extinguish a secured claim, see Doral Mort. Corp. v. Echevarria (In re Echevarria), 212 B.R. 185, 187 (1st Cir. BAP 1997), § 506(b) accords secured creditors an advantageous prospeet of recovering full payment of their postpetition attorney fees.

As support for their contention, however, the Manns rely exclusively upon a series of unpublished bankruptcy court decisions which hold that a creditor’s failure to disclose, during the chapter 13 proceed ings — e.g., by filing a proof of claim — its internal recordation of such postpetition, preconfirmation attorney fees on its internal books violates § 506(b), in that such nondisclosure frustrates the “fresh start” policy underlying the Bankruptcy Code by precluding chapter 13 debtors from availing themselves of a reasonable opportunity to satisfy (viz., discharge) such attorney fees through their chapter 13 plan. See, e.g., In re Slick, No. 98-14378 (Bankr.S.D.Ala. May 10, 2002). Assuming, ar- [*6] guendo, the correctness of its holding, a matter we expressly refrain from resolving, the Slick series of cases is readily distinguishable. That is to say, Slick directly holds that the creditor’s nondisclosure violated § 506(b), rather than § 362, and that the creditor’s fees were thus discharged. Id., slip op. at 12-13.

By contrast, the Manns neither contended before the district court that Chase violated § 506(b), nor requested that the district court declare the attorney fees discharged under their chapter 13 plan, but instead simply cited to § 506(b) as an adjunct to their § 362 claim asserting a violation of the automatic stay, viz., by way of statutory evidence informing the meaning of the term “act” under § 362(a). It is not surprising, therefore, that the district court opinion did not rely upon § 506(b) as a discrete basis for its decision. Whatever the legal effect of the failure to submit an application or proof of claim under § 506(b), a matter which we need not resolve here, [8] any such omission or waiver plainly would not constitute the sort of overt, affirmative act stayed by § 362(a). Thus, the § 362 claim, as submitted by the Manns, was properly dismissed by the district court.

C. The Motions to Amend the Complaint

Finally, we affirm the district court ruling rejecting the motions to amend the Manns’ complaint to plead new facts allegedly disclosed during discovery. The Manns sought (i) to allege that Chase, absent any contractual authorization, added a $2.00 “surcharge” for each prepetition inspection charge posted to their mortgage loan account, and (ii) to add, as coplaintiffs, the Rodrigueses, whom Chase recently had billed for the same type of postpetition, preconfirmation fees following the entry of the Rodrigueses’ chapter 13 discharge, even though the Rodrigueses had not defaulted again on their mortgage payments.

Trial court rulings on motions to amend a complaint are reviewed for abuse of discretion. See Invest Almaz v. Temple-Inland Forest Prods. Corp., 243 F.3d 57, 71 (1st Cir.2001). Of course, the trial court may deny leave to amend, as a matter of law, where a proposed amendment[*7] would not cure the deficiencies in the original complaint. See Grant v. News Group Boston, Inc., 55 F.3d 1, 5 (1st Cir.1995). So it is here.

The first proposed amendment was defective due to the fact that the Manns failed to file timely objection to the inclusion of the subject surcharges in their chapter 13 plan. The second amendment was deficient in that (i) the Manns submitted an insufficient Rule 56 proffer regarding their § 362 claim for the postpetition, preconfirmation attorney fees, and (ii) even assuming, arguendo, that the Rodrigueses held a viable claim under either § 362 or § 506(b), their standing did not confer standing upon the Manns.

Accordingly, the district court judgment is affirmed. The parties shall bear their own costs. SO ORDERED.

1

. We review the summary judgment ruling de novo, accepting all record evidence in the light most condign to the Manns. See In re Gosselin, 276 F.3d 70, 71-72 (1st Cir.2002).

2

. The district court rejected the contention that the inspection and foreclosure notifications issued by Chase violated the terms of the Security Agreement. The Manns do not challenge these rulings on appeal.

3

.Unless otherwise provided in the chapter 13 plan, title to all property of the chapter 13 estate vests in the debtor upon confirmation. See Barbosa v. Soloman, 235 F.3d 31, 37 (1st Cir.2000).

4

. The proof of claim submitted by Chase in the chapter 13 proceeding valued the secured claim at only $124,743.32. There is no indication that Chase included any postpetition attorney fees.

5

. Similarly, in Fessenden v. Maine Savs. Bank (In re Nield), 95 B.R. 259 (Bankr.D.Me.1989), the secured creditor unilaterally removed funds deposited in an escrow account, in the bank's possession, and which had been set aside to defray the insurance premiums and taxes on the mortgaged property as due. Id. at 260-61. And the court in In re Megan-Racine Assocs., Inc., 203 B.R. 873 (Bankr.N.D.N.Y.), aff' d, 102 F.3d 671 (2d Cir.1996), noted that the creditor had “engaged in [the type of] self-help” prohibited under § 362 by unilaterally withdrawing sums from an escrow account in its possession. Id. at 878, 883.

6

. Bankruptcy Code § 506(b) provides: "To the extent that an allowed secured claim is secured by property the value of which, after any recovery under subsection (c) of this section, is greater than the amount of such claim, there shall be allowed to the holder of such claim, interest on such claim, and any reasonable fees, costs, or charges provided for under the agreement under which such claim arose.” 11 U.S.C. § 506(b). Subsection 506(b) applies exclusively to postpetition fees accrued prior to confirmation of the plan. See 4 Lawrence P. King, Collier on Bankruptcy ¶ 506.05[3] (15th rev. ed. 2001).

7

. The Manns never mentioned § 506(b) in their complaint, but simply noted that Chase had made its postpetition internal bookkeeping entries "without obtaining court approval ... [which] violates the automatic stay.” These references reasonably could not have placed the district court on fair notice that the Manns were claiming a § 506(b) violation. Instead, the reference more plausibly implied simply that Chase was required to seek approval from the court for relief from the automatic stay pursuant to § 362(d).

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. Nevertheless, it is important to note that there is a serious question as to whether a discrete § 506(b) claim would be sufficiently ripe for adjudication at the present juncture. Normally, a claim is unripe where there are too many contingencies which might moot the claim. See, e.g., Bowen v. First Family Fin. Servs., Inc., 233 F.3d 1331, 1340 n. 7 (11th Cir.2000). Chase has never billed the Manns for these fees, nor communicated to any third party its putative entitlement to the fees. Moreover, Chase represents on appeal that it will never seek to collect the fees unless the Manns were to default on their mortgage once again. See Chamber of Commerce v. Reich, 57 F.3d 1099, 1100 (D.C.Cir.1995) (in assessing ripeness, court should consider, inter alia, the hardship upon the parties were the court to withhold immediate review of the claim). Although we might be reluctant to accept mere bald assurances regarding the latter contingency, it cannot be said with any confidence that its collection efforts are inevitable.

Second, although plainly not determinative on its own, we note that the Manns have not yet completed their payments under the confirmed plan. Unlike a chapter 11 debtor, which receives its discharge upon plan confirmation, chapter 13 debtors obtain a discharge only upon the successful completion of their required payments under the confirmed plan. See In re Roberts, 279 F.3d 91, 93 n. 1 (1st Cir.2002). Should the Manns fail to do so, none of their debts would be discharged, let alone their putative contractual obligation to Chase for its postpetition, preconfirmation attorney fees. Cf. In re Echevarria, 212 B.R. at 188 (noting that creditor which waived recourse to § 506(b), until completion of confirmed plan, thereby waived right to collect § 506(b) postpetition interest).