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examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Goad v. State (10×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see"
Nev. · 2021 · quote attribution · 2 verbatim quotes · confidence high
at any time . . . evidence raising a reasonable doubt as to defendant's competency appears, the trial court sua sponte must order an evidentiary hearing on the competency issue.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) GOAD (RALPH) VS. STATE (10×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see"
Nev. · 2021 · quote attribution · 2 verbatim quotes · confidence high
at any time . . . evidence raising a reasonable doubt as to defendant's competency appears, the trial court sua sponte must order an evidentiary hearing on the competency issue.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Mendez v. Knowles
9th Cir. · 2009 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a due process evidentiary hearing is constitutionally compelled at any time that there is 'substantial evidence' that the defendant may be mentally incompetent to stand trial.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) McMurtrey v. Ryan (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
9th Cir. · 2008 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
once there is evidence raising a reasonable doubt as to the competency to stand trial from any source, there is a doubt that cannot be dispelled by resort to conflicting evidence.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) McMURTEY v. RYAN (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
9th Cir. · 2008 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
once there is evidence raising a reasonable doubt as to the competency to stand trial from any source, there is a doubt that cannot be dispelled by resort to conflicting evi- dence.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Mendez v. Knowles
9th Cir. · 2008 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a due process evidentiary hearing is constitutionally compelled at any time that there is 'substantial evidence' that the defendant may be mentally incompetent to stand trial.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Willie Crenshaw v. Charles L. Wolff, Jr., Warden
8th Cir. · 1975 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
evidence is 'substantial' if it raises a reasonable doubt about defendant's competency to stand trial.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Kalamice Piggee v. William Muniz
9th Cir. · 2024 · confidence medium
We have interpreted this guidance to require a competency hearing “at any time” substantial evidence puts the defendant’s competence in doubt. de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 980 (9th 2 Cir. 1976) (en banc) (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972) (per curiam)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Mickle v. Brown
N.D. Cal. · 2023 · confidence medium
Moore v. United 8 States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. Flow
N.C. · 2023 · confidence medium
Drope, 420 U.S. at 180 (stating the defendant’s “attempt to commit suicide ‘did not stand alone’ ” (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972))).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Scott v. Wiersma
E.D. Wis. · 2023 · confidence medium
As was true of the psychiatric evaluation, petitioner’s attempt to commit suicide ‘did not stand alone.’” Drope, 420 U.S. at 180 (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Albert Garza
9th Cir. · 2014 · confidence medium
See Torres v. Prunty, 223 F.3d 1103, 1109-10 (9th Cir.2000); Miles v. Stainer, 108 F.3d 1109, 1112-13 (9th Cir.1997); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 665-67 (9th Cir.1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Luis Martinez Franco
9th Cir. · 2014 · confidence medium
This finding is particularly rational given the complete lack of medical evidence suggesting Franco’s incompetence, and the fact that “[d]efense counsel ha[d] not ... raised the issue of Defendant’s competency prior to the concluding portion of the sentencing proceeding.” Under these circumstances, Franco’s strange remarks and behavior at sentencing are best understood as a “reasoned choice,” id., and don’t constitute “substantial evidence casting doubt upon his competency.” Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972) (per curiam).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Duncan
9th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
At times, we have formulated our standard in slightly different terms, holding that a competency hearing should take place "at any time that there is 'substantial evidence’ that the defendant may be mentally incompetent to stand trial.” Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972) (per curiam).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Olivares v. State (2×)
Nev. · 2008 · confidence medium
Melchor-Gloria, 99 Nev. at 180, 660 P.2d at 113 (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Hamilton v. Ayers
E.D. Cal. · 2006 · confidence medium
Compare Boag v. Raines, 769 F.2d 1341, 1343 (9th Cir.1985) (no real and substantial doubt of competency because five attempted suicides were too distant from the crime, no mental impairment from repeated head injuries and alcoholism, and diagnosis as a sociopath does not affect competency); and de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 983-85 (9th Cir.1976) (no bona fide doubt of competency despite two emotional and inappropriate outbursts at trial, expert testimony of severe disturbance and paranoid schizophrenia, and a bizarre and gruesome crime); with Tillery v. Eyman, 492 F.2d 1056, 1057-58 (9t…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Larry David Davis v. Jeanne S. Woodford, Warden, of California State Prison at San Quentin (2×)
9th Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. Ross
Conn. · 2004 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Larry David Davis v. Jeanne S. Woodford, Warden, of California State Prison at San Quentin
9th Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Plascencia-Valenzuela
9th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
The evidence of incompetency which accumulated before, during and after trial rose to such a level that a second competency hearing was compelled. 2 See Odie v. Woodford, 238 F.3d 1084 , 1087 (9th Cir.2001); United States v. Lewis, 991 F.2d 524, 527 (9th Cir.1993); de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 979 (9th Cir. 1976); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. Johnson
Conn. · 2000 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Tilden
Mo. Ct. App. · 1999 · confidence medium
In discussing Pate , the court in Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9 th Cir.1972), said the language “substantial evidence” of incompetence includes all information properly before the court, whether from testimony, exhibits or reports, and once there is substantial evidence which raises reasonable doubt about competency, the trial court must pursue the matter.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) 97 Cal. Daily Op. Serv. 1798, 97 Daily Journal D.A.R. 3396 Jimmie Lee Miles v. Jerry Stainer, Warden, Corcoran State Prison James Gomez, Director, California Department of Corrections
9th Cir. · 1997 · confidence medium
See Moran v. Godinez, 972 F.2d 263, 265 (9th Cir.1992) (court's failure to inquire about the four psychiatric medications defendant was taking raised reasonable doubt about competence), overruled on other grounds, 509 U.S. 389 , 113 S.Ct. 2680 , 125 L.Ed.2d 321 (1993); Chavez, 656 F.2d at 518 (hearing required when evidence suggests that past incompetence may have recurred); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972) (records showing defendant's history of mental illness and instability raised reasonable doubt even though current psychiatric report found him competent).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Miles v. Stainer
9th Cir. · 1997 · confidence medium
See Moran v. Godinez, 972 F.2d 263, 265 (9th Cir.1992) (court’s failure to inquire about the four psychiatric medications defendant was taking raised reasonable doubt about competence), overruled on other grounds, 509 U.S. 389 , 113 S.Ct. 2680 , 125 L.Ed.2d 321 (1993); Chavez, 656 F.2d at 518 (hearing required when evidence suggests that past incompetence may have recurred); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972) (records showing defendant’s history of mental illness and instability raised reasonable doubt even though current psychiatric report found him competent).
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. DesLaurier
Conn. · 1994 · confidence medium
Evidence is ‘substantial’ if it raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency . . . ." Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Blue
Conn. · 1994 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).” (Internal quotation marks omitted.) State v. Watson, supra, 198 Conn. 605 . “[I]n considering whether to hold an evidentiary hearing on a motion to withdraw a guilty plea the court may disregard any allegations of fact, whether contained in the motion or made in an offer of proof, which are either conclusory, vague or oblique.
examined Cited as authority (rule) Mitchell Thomas Blazak, Petitioner-Appellee-Cross-Appellant v. James R. Ricketts, Donald Wawrzaszek, Respondents-Ap Pellants-Cross-Appellees (6×) also: Cited "see"
9th Cir. · 1993 · confidence medium
Pate v. Robinson, 383 U.S. 375, 378, 385 , 86 S.Ct. 836, 838, 842 , 15 L.Ed.2d 815 (1966); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Scott N. Sanders v. Dorothy Vigil, Robert Corbin
9th Cir. · 1992 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Thomas W. Berthold
9th Cir. · 1992 · confidence medium
See Drope v. Missouri, 420 U.S. 162, 180 (1975); Tillery v. Eyman, 492 F.2d 1056, 1059 (9th Cir.1974); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Donald Eugene Harding v. Samuel A. Lewis
9th Cir. · 1987 · confidence medium
See Drope v. Missouri, 420 U.S. 162, 180 , 95 S.Ct. 896, 908 , 43 L.Ed.2d 103 (1975); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) John Edward Campbell v. A.L. Lockhart, Director, Arkansas Department of Correction
8th Cir. · 1986 · confidence medium
“Once there is such evidence from any source, there is a doubt that cannot be dispelled by resort to conflicting evidence.” Lindhorst v. United States, 658 F.2d 598, 607 (8th Cir.1981) (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972)), cert. denied, 454 U.S. 1153 , 102 S.Ct. 1024 , 71 L.Ed.2d 309 (1982).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Lloyd
Conn. · 1986 · confidence medium
Evidence is “substantial” if it raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency . . . .’ Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).” State v. Watson, supra, 605 ; see Pate v. Robinson, 383 U.S. 375, 385 , 86 S. Ct. 836 , 15 L.
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. Watson
Conn. · 1986 · confidence medium
Evidence is ‘substantial’ if it raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency . . . .” Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Donald Gene Boag v. Robert Raines
9th Cir. · 1985 · confidence medium
In cases finding sufficient evidence of incompetency, the petitioners have been able to show either extremely erratic and irrational behavior during the course of the trial, e.g., Tillery v. Eyman, 492 F.2d 1056, 1057-58 (9th Cir.1974) (defendant screamed throughout the nights, laughed at the jury, made gestures at the bailiff, disrobed in the courtroom and butted his head through a glass window), or lengthy histories of acute psychosis and psychiatric treatment, e.g., Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 665 (9th Cir.1972) (defendant repeatedly hospitalized for acute mental illness and hallu…
cited Cited as authority (rule) Bobby Ray Speedy v. Donald W. Wyrick, Warden, Missouri State Penitentiary John Ashcroft, Attorney General
8th Cir. · 1983 · confidence medium
Lindhorst v. United States, 658 F.2d 598, 607 (8th Cir.1981), cert. denied, 454 U.S. 1153 , 102 S.Ct. 1024 , 71 L.Ed.2d 309 (1982) (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Melchor-Gloria v. State
Nev. · 1983 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972); Warden v. Conner, 93 Nev. 209, 210-211 , 562 P.2d 483 (1977); NRS 178.400-178.440.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Evans v. Raines
D. Ariz. · 1982 · confidence medium
See Drope v. Missouri, 420 U.S. 162, 180 , 95 S.Ct. 896 , 43 L.Ed.2d 103 (1975); Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ronald E. Veatch
9th Cir. · 1982 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Richard Bernard Lindhorst, Jr. v. United States
8th Cir. · 1981 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972) (per curiam); see Rand v. Swenson, 501 F.2d 394, 395 (8th Cir. 1974) (per curiam); Jones v. Swenson, 469 F.2d 535, 539 (8th Cir. 1972), cert. denied, 412 U.S. 929 , 93 S.Ct. 2756 , 37 L.Ed.2d 156 (1973).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Veatch
9th Cir. · 1981 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Richard L. Clark
9th Cir. · 1980 · confidence medium
In deKaplany we held that a hearing is required sua sponte whenever there exists “substantial evidence” that the defendant may be mentally incompetent and that “[e]vidence is ‘substantial’ if it raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency to stand trial.” 540 F.2d at 980 -81 (quoting Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Neil E. Darrow v. Warden Gunn
9th Cir. · 1979 · confidence medium
Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972); see de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 980-81 (9th Cir. 1976), cert. denied, 429 U.S. 1075 , 97 S.Ct. 815 , 50 L.Ed.2d 793 (1977); Tillery v. Eyman, 492 F.2d 1056, 1058-59 (9th Cir. 1974).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Drope v. Missouri
SCOTUS · 1975 · confidence medium
As was true of the psychiatric evaluation, petitioner’s attempt to commit suicide “did not stand alone.” Moore v. United States, 464 F. 2d 663, 666 (CA9 1972).
examined Cited "see" State of Iowa v. Wonetah Einfeldt (4×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
Iowa · 2018 · signal: see · confidence high
See Moore , 464 F.2d at 666 ; Commonwealth v. Kostka , 370 Mass. 516 , 350 N.E.2d 444 , 449 (1976).
cited Cited "see" Mike Hernandez v. Eddie S. Ylst, Warden
9th Cir. · 1991 · signal: see · confidence high
See Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir.1972) (per curiam) (“ ‘[evidence’ encompasses all information properly before the court”).
cited Cited "see" United States v. Elliott Caplan
9th Cir. · 1980 · signal: see · confidence high
See Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
discussed Cited "see" State v. Fischer (2×)
N.D. · 1975 · signal: see · confidence high
See Moore v. United States, 464 F.2d 663, 666 (9th Cir. 1972).
cited Cited "see" Sailer v. Gunn
C.D. Cal. · 1974 · signal: see · confidence high
See 464 F.2d at 665 .
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Mendez v. Knowles
9th Cir. · 2009 · signal: see also · confidence medium
“The question to be asked by the reviewing court is whether a reasonable judge, situated as was the trial court judge whose failure to conduct an evidentiary hearing is being reviewed, should have experienced doubt with respect to competency to stand trial.” de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 983 (9th Cir.1976) (en banc). “[W]here the evidence raises a ‘bona fide doubt’ as to a defendant’s competence to stand trial, the trial judge on his own motion must ... conduct a hearing to determine competency to stand trial.” Torres v. Prunty, 223 F.3d 1103, 1106-07 (9th Cir.2000) (inter…
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Mendez v. Knowles
9th Cir. · 2008 · signal: see also · confidence medium
“The question to be asked by the reviewing court is whether a reasonable judge, situated as was the trial court judge whose failure to conduct an evidentiary hearing is being reviewed, should have experienced doubt with respect to competency to stand trial.” de Kaplany v. Enomoto, 540 F.2d 975, 983 (9th Cir.1976) (en banc). “[W]here the evidence raises a ‘bona fide doubt’ as to a defendant’s competence to stand trial, the trial judge on his own motion must ... conduct a hearing to determine competency to stand trial.” Torres v. Prunty, 223 F.3d 1103, 1106-07 (9th Cir.2000) (inter…
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Bernie MOORE, Petitioner-Appellant,
v.
UNITED STATES of America, Respondent-Appellee
72-1190.
Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
Aug 18, 1972.
464 F.2d 663
Bernie Moore, in pro per., William D. Keller, U. S. Atty., Earl E. Boyd, Eric A. Nobles, Asst. U. S. Attys., Los Angeles, Cal., for respondent-appellee.
Browning, Hufstedler, Per Curiam, Wright.
Cited by 95 opinions  |  Published
PER CURIAM:

Moore appeals from a district court order dismissing his application for section 2255 relief. Moore claimed that his 1968 guilty plea to a violation of 18 U. S.C. § 2113(a) should be set aside because he was mentally incompetent when his plea was taken.

The district court dismissed the application for two reasons: (1) Moore waived his claim for relief on the ground here asserted because he had not[*665] presented the claim on an earlier section 2255 petition; and (2) Moore’s “mental competence was the subject of psychiatric investigation, a hearing, and judicial determination before his plea was made and accepted,” and the issue is thus foreclosed.

Denial of a prior application for section 2255 relief does not foreclose a subsequent petition for the same relief on a ground not earlier presented, unless that failure to assert the claim was an abuse of the section 2255 process: “[I]f a prisoner deliberately withholds one of two grounds for federal collateral relief at the time of filing his first application, in the hope of being granted two hearings rather than one or for some other reason, he may be deemed to have waived his right to a hearing on a second application presenting the withheld ground.” (Sanders v. United States (1963) 373 U.S. 1, 18, 83 S.Ct. 1068, 1078, 10 L.Ed.2d 148.) There is nothing in this record to support a conclusion that Moore deliberately withheld his mental incompetency claim when he filed his first petition.

On this record the second ground for dismissing the application cannot be sustained.

When Moore was initially arraigned on December 11, 1967, his appointed counsel moved for a psychiatric examination under 18 U.S.C. § 4244. The motion was granted, and Moore was examined on December 30, 1967. On January 8, 1968, Moore returned to court and was rearraigned. The psychiatrist’s report was received in evidence. Although Moore’s lawyer did not object to the admission of the report, he observed: “I think, your Honor, we should have a discussion of the report made by the psychiatrist. . . . Considering the report at page 3, it does not seem to be very consistent with the finding of the doctor of an individual who does . not seem to be a person who has the mental ability to aid in his own defense, and things of that nature. I have to be critical of the doctor’s findings, they just do not seem consistent.” The examining psychiatrist was not called to testify; there is no indication that he was even present. No testimony of any kind was offered. The court forthwith found that Moore was competent to stand trial. [1] Moore thereafter entered a not guilty plea.

The psychiatrist’s report reveals an extensive history of mental illness, including hospitalizations for psychiatric disorders and repeated suicide attempts. During his stay at the Federal Medical Center, he was “kept in isolation and developed visual hallucinations.” In describing Moore’s mental condition at the time of the examination, the psychiatrist said: “Abnormal mental trends were manifested by self-destruction, mutilating behavior which occurs under stressful conditions. ... He panics and has engaged in dangerous behavior to himself such as running before gunfire and swallowing razor blades in an attempt to get into a more protective situation. His mood swings are wide and rapid from deep depression and to euphoria in a brief period. . . . His main problem is in sexual identity with fear of both men and women and this leads to panic. He will continue to act out both in custodial and psychiatric hospital placements. He feels that he has nothing to lose and therefore engages in impulsive acting out and controls the environment through his self-destructive acts.”

The psychiatrist’s diagnosis was that Moore’s “competency will be subject to periods of impaired judgment during his panic reactions,” that he has “deep-seated emotional problems of long duration,” and “the prognosis is poor.” He nevertheless concluded that “Moore is presently sane and presently able to understand the proceedings taken against him and to properly assist in his own defense.” The psychiatrist did not undertake to offer any explanation for his ultimate conclusion.

[*666] On February 6, 1968, there was filed with the district court records of the Federal Bureau of Prisons containing lengthy psychiatric reports about Moore. The records describe his repeated suicide attempts, his hospitalizations for acute mental illness, his hallucinatory episodes, and his psychiatric therapy.

Under the rule of Pate v. Robinson (1966) 383 U.S. 375, 86 S.Ct. 836, 15 L.Ed.2d 815, a due process evidentiary hearing is constitutionally compelled at any time that there is “substantial evidence” that the defendant may be mentally incompetent to stand trial. “Substantial evidence” is a term of art. “Evidence” encompasses all information properly before the court, whether it is in the form of testimony or exhibits formally admitted or it is in the form of medical reports or other kinds of reports that have been filed with the court. Evidence is “substantial” if it raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency to stand trial. Once there is such evidence from any source, there is a doubt that cannot be dispelled by resort to conflicting evidence. The function of the trial court in applying Pate’s substantial evidence test is not to determine the ultimate issue: Is the defendant competent to stand trial? It sole function is to decide whether there is any evidence which, assuming its truth, raises a reasonable doubt about the defendant’s competency. At any time that such evidence appears, the trial court sua sponte must order an evidentiary hearing on the competency issue. It is only after the evidentiary hearing, applying the usual rules appropriate to trial, that the court decides the issue of competency of the defendant to stand trial.

Moore has never had an evidentiary hearing on the issue of his competency to stand trial. [2] The trial court’s “failure to make such inquiry thus deprived [Moore] of his constitutional right to a fair trial” (Pate v. Robinson, supra, 383 U.S. at 385, 86 S.Ct. at 842), unless we can say that there was before the trial court no substantial evidence casting doubt upon his competency at any time before he was sentenced. The record forbids that conclusion.

We need not decide whether the psychiatric report of December 30, 1967, standing alone, constituted substantial evidence that Moore was incompetent to stand trial. It did not stand alone. By' the time Moore’s guilty plea was taken, the reports from the Federal Bureau of Prisons were in his file. Those reports, together with the report of December 30, 1967, constituted substantial evidence casting a reasonable doubt upon Moore’s competency to stand trial as a matter of law.

The face of the record before the trial court at the time Moore’s plea was taken revealed facts that compelled a Pate evidentiary hearing. The record before us shows that no hearing was ordered. The due process violation is thus shown without resort to any facts dehors the record. It is therefore unnecessary for us to remand the case for an evidentiary hearing to decide the merits of Moore’s due process claim. [3] Even if it were possible to eradicate nunc pro tunc the due process deprivation, the present conduct of an evidentiary hearing to determine whether Moore was competent to stand[*667] trial years ago is not a profitable exercise for reasons expressed in Pate.

The order dismissing Moore’s section 2255 application is reversed, and the cause is remanded to the district court with directions to vacate the conviction, to vacate the guilty plea, and to rearraign Moore.

1

. The finding was made by a judge other than the trial judge.

2

. The case is thus different from Hanson v. United States (9th Cir. 1969) 406 F.2d 199, cited by the Government, in which the defendant had a full evidentiary hearing upon the issue of his competence before he was finally sentenced.

3

. The case is unlike Brewster v. United States (9th Cir. 1971) 437 F.2d 917. Brewster is not a Pate case. No facts appeared on the face of the record at the time Brewster’s plea was taken that raised any substantial doubt about his competency. Brewster alleged facts in his petition collaterally attacking his plea which, if true, would raise an issue about his competency at the time of his plea. An evidentiary hearing was therefore necessary to enable a determination of the truth of his averments. Stone v. United States (9th Cir. 1966) 358 F.2d 503 (note particularly 358 at 506 n. 3) is similar to Brewster, not to Moore.