94 Illinois opinions name it 2 courts 1968–2026 19 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Illinois courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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Townsend v. Sears, Roebuck and Co.green2 sentences2024The choice of law issue is well-suited for consideration on the merits. ¶ 34 Principle of Depecage ¶ 35 S&C Chicago contends that Moore’s argument that the trial court should have made one choice of law determination for S&C Canada and a separate choice of law determination for S&C Chicago fails under the principle of depecage, and neither caselaw nor other authority supports Moore position. ¶ 36 Depecage is “the process of cutting up a case into individual issues, each subject to a separate choice-of-law analysis.” Townsend, 227 Ill. 2d at 161 . 2024The supreme court has “stress[ed] that a choice-of-law analysis begins by isolating the issue and defining the conflict.” Townsend, 227 Ill. 2d at 155 . | 14 | 25 |
Gleim v. Robertsgreen2 sentences2023We now turn to the merits of his claim. ¶ 56 We note that while the trial court determined that Florida law should apply to the abuse of process claim, the parties agree that the court should have applied Illinois law because “ ‘[a] choice-of-law determination is required only when a difference in law will make a difference in the outcome.’ ” Landmark American Insurance Co. v. NIP Group, Inc., 2011 IL App (1st) 101155, ¶ 21 (quoting Townsend v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 227 Ill. 2d 147, 155 (2007)). 20 No. 1-22-0273 “ ‘If the relevant laws of the two states yield essentially the same result regard 2011Thus, “[o]nly if the application of the law of one state will yield a different result from the application of the law of a second state is a choice-of-law analysis necessary. [Citations.] If the relevant laws of the two states yield essentially the same result regarding the issue in question, so that application of either law will produce the same result, there is no need to apply a choice-of-law analysis. [Citation.] In the absence of a conflict in the relevant laws of the two states, the law of the forum state applies.” Gleim v. Roberts, 395 Ill. | 4 | 6 |
Malatesta v. Mitsubishi Aircraft International, Inc.green2 sentences2008Malatesta v. Mitsubishi Aircraft International, Inc., 275 Ill.App.3d 370, 374 , 211 Ill. 2008Malatesta v. Mitsubishi Aircraft International, Inc., 275 Ill.App.3d 370, 374 , 211 Ill. | 3 | 6 |
Viking River Cruises, Inc. v. Morianagreen2 sentences2026Accordingly, Morgan maintained that “a choice of law clause that has the effect of making the Act inapplicable is both a prohibited waiver or evasion of the Act and invalid as contrary to public policy.” Morgan cited the United States Supreme Court case of Viking River Cruises, Inc. v. Moriana, 596 U.S. 639, 653 (2022), for the statement that an “arbitration agreement *** does not alter or abridge substantive rights,” and contended that there was “no basis for disregarding controlling Illinois statutory law.” ¶9 The arbitrator heard oral argument on May 31, 2023, and entered an order granting 2025Accordingly, Morgan maintained that “a choice of law clause that has the effect of making the Act inapplicable is both a prohibited waiver or evasion of the Act and invalid as contrary to public policy.” Morgan cited the United States Supreme Court case of Viking River Cruises, Inc. v. Moriana, 596 U.S. 639, 653 (2022), for the statement that an “arbitration agreement *** does not alter or abridge substantive rights,” and contended that there was “no basis for disregarding controlling Illinois statutory law.” ¶8 The arbitrator heard oral argument on May 31, 2023, and entered an order granting | 3 | 3 |
Lapham-Hickey Steel Corp. v. Protection Mutual Insurancegreen2 sentences2015After applying the choice-of-law analysis set forth in Lapham-Hickey Steel Corp. v. Protection Mutual Insurance Co., 166 Ill. 2d 520, 526-27 (1995), the trial court concluded that Pennsylvania law applied in interpreting the policy provisions, because it had the most significant contacts. 2014The trial court concluded, “[i]t appears that Illinois’ rule allows broader coverage [than] Pennsylvania precedent, at least as analyzed by federal magistrate, district, and appellate judges, assumed to know the law in Pennsylvania.” The trial court concluded that a conflict existed, and it applied the choice-of-law analysis set forth in Lapham-Hickey Steel Corp. v. Protection Mutual Insurance Co., 166 Ill. 2d 520, 526-27 (1995). | 2 | 6 |
Sterling Finance Management, L.P. v. UBS Painewebber, Inc.green2 sentences2014(Emphasis added.) Id. ¶ 25 To the extent that Sterling holds that a mere possibility of a conflict of laws is sufficient to require a choice-of-law analysis, we disagree. 2014(Emphasis added.) Id. ¶ 25 To the extent that Sterling holds that a mere possibility of a conflict of laws is sufficient to require a choice-of-law analysis, we disagree. | 2 | 5 |
Bridgeview Health Care Center, Ltd. v. State Farm Fire and Casualty Companygreen2 sentences2021We therefore turn to the choice-of-law issue. ¶ 16 Under Illinois law, a court’s choice-of-law analysis begins: “ ‘by isolating the issue and defining the conflict.’ [Citations.] A choice-of-law determination ‘is required only when a difference in law will make a difference in the outcome.’ [Citations.] The party seeking the choice-of-law determination bears the burden of demonstrating a conflict, i.e., that there exists a difference in the law that will make a difference in the outcome. [Citation.] Once a conflict between laws is established, the analysis turns to which law should be applied. 2021We therefore turn to the choice-of-law issue. ¶ 16 Under Illinois law, a court’s choice-of-law analysis begins: “ ‘by isolating the issue and defining the conflict.’ [Citations.] A choice-of-law determination ‘is required only when a difference in law will make a difference in the outcome.’ [Citations.] The party seeking the choice-of-law determination bears the burden of demonstrating a conflict, i.e., that there exists a difference in the law that will make a difference in the outcome. [Citation.] Once a conflict between laws is established, the analysis turns to which law should be applied. | 2 | 3 |
McGrew v. Pearlmangreen2 sentences2009McGrew v. Pearlman, 304 Ill. 2009Townsend v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 227 Ill. 2d 147, 155 , 879 N.E.2d 893, 898 (2007); McGrew, 304 Ill. | 2 | 3 |
Banks v. Ribco, Inc.green2 sentences2019Townsend, 227 Ill. 2d at 155 (courts should not engage in a choice-of-law analysis unless a difference in law will make a difference in outcome); Barron v. Ford Motor Co. of Canada, 965 F.2d 195, 197 (7th Cir. 1992) (federal appeals court for Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin applied Florida law after stating “before entangling itself in messy issues of conflict of laws a court ought to satisfy itself that there actually is a difference between the relevant laws of the different [places]”); Banks v. Ribco, Inc., 403 Ill. 2019Townsend , 227 Ill. 2d at 155 , 316 Ill.Dec. 505 , 879 N.E.2d 893 (courts should not engage in a choice-of-law analysis unless a difference in law will make a difference in outcome); Barron v. Ford Motor Co. of Canada, Ltd. , 965 F.2d 195 , 197 (7th Cir. 1992) (federal appeals court for Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin applied Florida law after stating "before entangling itself in messy issues of conflict of laws a court ought to satisfy itself that there actually is a difference between the relevant laws of the different [places]"); Banks v. Ribco, Inc. , 403 Ill. | 2 | 2 |
Old Republic Insurance v. Ace Property & Casualty Insurancegreen2 sentences2016See Old Republic Insurance Co. v. Ace Property & Casualty Insurance Co., 389 Ill. 2016See Old Republic Insurance Co. v. Ace Property & Casualty Insurance Co., 389 Ill. | 2 | 2 |
Barbara's Sales, Inc. v. Intel Corp.green2 sentences2015Barbara's Sales, Inc. v. 4 No. 1-13-2905 Intel Corp., 227 Ill. 2d 45, 61 (2007); Gregory v. Beazer East, 384 Ill. 2015Barbara’s Sales, Inc. v. Intel Corp., 227 Ill. 2d 45, 61 (2007); Gregory v. Beazer East, 384 Ill. | 2 | 2 |
Gregory v. Beazer Eastgreen2 sentences2015Barbara's Sales, Inc. v. 4 No. 1-13-2905 Intel Corp., 227 Ill. 2d 45, 61 (2007); Gregory v. Beazer East, 384 Ill. 2015Barbara’s Sales, Inc. v. Intel Corp., 227 Ill. 2d 45, 61 (2007); Gregory v. Beazer East, 384 Ill. | 2 | 2 |
Solomon v. Scholefieldgreen2 sentences2015See Solomon v. Scholefield, 2015 IL App (1st) 150685, ¶ 15 ("[p]ure questions of law, including questions of statutory interpretation, are reviewed de novo" (internal quotation marks omitted)). ¶ 12 Petitioner next contends that the Electoral Board failed to undergo a choice of law analysis and properly apply Indiana law governing the expungement of Indiana convictions. 2015See Solomon v. Scholefield, 2015 IL App (1st) 150685, ¶ 15 (“[p]ure questions of law, including questions of statutory interpretation, are reviewed de novo” (internal quotation marks omitted)). ¶ 12 Petitioner next contends that the Electoral Board failed to undergo a choice of law analysis and properly apply Indiana law governing the expungement of Indiana convictions. | 2 | 2 |
Felipe Ruiz v. Blentech Corporationgreen2 sentences2007Ruiz v. Blentech Corp., 89 F.3d 320, 324 (7th Cir. 1996) (applying Illinois law); accord Scoles, Conflict of Laws §2.14, at 61 (explaining “depecage”). 2007Ruiz v. Blentech Corp., 89 F.3d 320, 324 (7th Cir. 1996) (applying Illinois law); accord Scoles, Conflict of Laws §2.14, at 61 (explaining “depecage”). | 2 | 2 |
| Barbara's Sales, Inc. v. Intel Corp.green | 2 | 2 |
| In re Marriage of Walkergreen | 2 | 2 |
| Resolution Trust Corp. v. Gladstonegreen | 2 | 2 |
| Yates v. Bridge Trading Co.green | 2 | 2 |
Wreglesworth v. Arctco, Inc.green2 sentences2009Wreglesworth v. Arctco, Inc., 316 Ill. 2007Wreglesworth v. Arctco, Inc., 316 Ill. | 1 | 5 |
SBC Holdings, Inc. v. Travelers Casualty & Surety Co.green2 sentences2011In the absence of such a provision, the general choice-of-law rules of the forum state, Illinois, control: "Before a court can apply a choice-of-law analysis to determine which state's law applies to the dispute, it must first determine if there is a conflict in the laws of the two states. [Citations.] A conflict exists if the difference in laws will result in a difference in outcome. [Citations.] If the law of the jurisdictions in question is essentially the same on the disputed point, there is no need to apply a choice-of-law analysis. [Citation.] In the absence of a conflict, Illinois law a 2011In the absence of such a provision, the general choice-of-law rules of the forum state, Illinois, control: "Before a court can apply a choice-of-law analysis to determine which state's law applies to the dispute, it must first determine if there is a conflict in the laws of the two states. [Citations.] A conflict exists if the difference in laws will result in a difference in outcome. [Citations.] If the law of the jurisdictions in question is essentially the same on the disputed point, there is no need to apply a choice-of-law analysis. [Citation.] In the absence of a conflict, Illinois law a | 1 | 3 |
Phillips Petroleum Co. v. Shuttsgreen2 sentences2014Only when the movant establishes a conflict between state laws to the circuit court’s satisfaction is a choice-of-law analysis required. ¶ 18 State Farm maintains, however, that in Phillips Petroleum Co. v. Shutts, 472 U.S. 797 (1985), the United States Supreme Court relied upon a federal district court’s Erie prediction to find a conflict between state laws. 2014Only when the movant establishes a conflict between state laws to the circuit court’s satisfaction is a choice-of-law analysis required. ¶ 18 State Farm maintains, however, that in Phillips Petroleum Co. v. Shutts, 472 U.S. 797 (1985), the United States Supreme Court relied upon a federal district court’s Erie prediction to find a conflict between state laws. | 1 | 3 |
Kramer v. Weedhopper of Utah, Inc.green2 sentences2021Kramer v. Weedhopper of Utah, Inc., 204 Ill. 1995(Kramer v. Weedhopper of Utah, Inc. (1990), 204 Ill. | 1 | 2 |
Tina BARRON, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. FORD MOTOR COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED, Defendant-Appelleegreen2 sentences2019Townsend, 227 Ill. 2d at 155 (courts should not engage in a choice-of-law analysis unless a difference in law will make a difference in outcome); Barron v. Ford Motor Co. of Canada, 965 F.2d 195, 197 (7th Cir. 1992) (federal appeals court for Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin applied Florida law after stating “before entangling itself in messy issues of conflict of laws a court ought to satisfy itself that there actually is a difference between the relevant laws of the different [places]”); Banks v. Ribco, Inc., 403 Ill. 2019Townsend , 227 Ill. 2d at 155 , 316 Ill.Dec. 505 , 879 N.E.2d 893 (courts should not engage in a choice-of-law analysis unless a difference in law will make a difference in outcome); Barron v. Ford Motor Co. of Canada, Ltd. , 965 F.2d 195 , 197 (7th Cir. 1992) (federal appeals court for Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin applied Florida law after stating "before entangling itself in messy issues of conflict of laws a court ought to satisfy itself that there actually is a difference between the relevant laws of the different [places]"); Banks v. Ribco, Inc. , 403 Ill. | 1 | 2 |
Village of Bloomingdale v. CDG Enterprises, Inc.green2 sentences2019Doe v. University of Chicago Medical Center , 2015 IL App (1st) 133735 , ¶ 4, 391 Ill.Dec. 647 , 31 N.E.3d 323 , 325 ; Village of Bloomingdale v. CDG Enterprises, Inc. , 196 Ill. 2d 484 , 486, 256 Ill.Dec. 848 , 752 N.E.2d 1090 (2001). 2019Doe v. University of Chicago Medical Center , 2015 IL App (1st) 133735 , ¶ 4, 391 Ill.Dec. 647 , 31 N.E.3d 323 , 325 ; Village of Bloomingdale v. CDG Enterprises, Inc. , 196 Ill. 2d 484 , 486, 256 Ill.Dec. 848 , 752 N.E.2d 1090 (2001). | 1 | 2 |
Pekin Insurance Company v. XData Solutionsgreen2 sentences2015Sign relied on a recent appellate court decision, Pekin Insurance Co. v. XData Solutions, Inc., 2011 IL App (1st) 102769, ¶ 23 (holding that federal district court decisions predicting state law do not represent “state law for the purposes of engaging in a choice of law analysis”). 2013If the forum applies its own law simply because the other interested jurisdictions have not spoken on the issue, the result of the case may well depend on the fortuitous circumstances that determine the forum. ¶ 22 Therefore, because the decision in Pekin conflicts with better reasoned cases and the purpose of the choice-of-law doctrine, we do not follow Pekin insofar as the court in Pekin said, “there is no Indiana state law on the issue before us, so there can be no conflict with Illinois law.” Pekin Insurance, 2011 IL App (1st) 102769, ¶ 23 . | 1 | 2 |
| Sabo v. Dennisgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Miller v. Hayesgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Bishop v. We Care Hair Development Corp.green | 1 | 1 |
| Landmark Insurance Company v. NIP Groupgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Associated Press v. All Headline News Corp.green | 1 | 1 |
| American Nat. Bank & Trust Co. of Chicago v. NAT. ADVERTISING CO.green | 1 | 1 |
| Aon Corp. v. Utleygreen | 1 | 1 |
| AM International Leasing Corp. v. National Council of Negro Women, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Bolger v. Nautica International, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Potomac Leasing Co. v. Chuck's Pub, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Demoulas v. Demoulas Super Markets, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Wilson v. Louisiana-Pacific Resources, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. v. Raffagreen | 1 | 1 |
| United States v. 105,800 Shares of Common Stock of FirstRock Bancorp, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
| Danes v. Automobile Underwriters, Inc.green | 1 | 1 |
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| No negative-treatment citations attached to this issue in Illinois. Read the followed side critically anyway. | ||
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Erie Railroad v. Tompkins
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2 sentences2016Co. v. Tompkins, 304 U.S. 64 (1938), that the supreme court of that state would resolve a legal issue in a way that is at odds with Illinois law, does that prediction, in itself, establish an actual conflict between the two states' law for purposes of a choice-of-law analysis?" Id. ¶ 1. 2014Co. v. Tompkins, 304 U.S. 64 (1938), that the supreme court of that state would resolve a legal issue in a way that is at odds with Illinois law, does that prediction, in itself, establish an actual conflict between the two states’ laws for purposes of a choice-of-law analysis? | 4 | 1995–2016 |
Nationwide Mutual Insurance v. Harris Medical Associates, LLC
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2 sentences2014Nationwide, 2013 WL 5341498, at *8 . 2014Nationwide, 973 F. Supp. 2d at 1055-56 . | 3 | 2014–2014 |
Bridgeview Health Care Center, LTD. v. State Farm Fire and Casualty Company
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2 sentences2014Therefore, since there is no Indiana state law on the issue of whether there can be coverage for a TCPA claim under an ‘advertising injury’ provision in an insurance policy, there can be no conflict with Illinois law, and Illinois law applies here.” Id. ¶ 23. ¶ 32 Subsequent to the trial court’s final summary judgment, a different division of the Illinois Appellate Court, First District, decided Bridgeview Health Care Center, Ltd. v. State Farm Fire & Casualty Co., 2013 IL App (1st) 121920 , appeal allowed, No. 116389 (Ill. 2014According to the appellate court, “because the application of Indiana law could possibly lead to a different result than that reached under Illinois law, the trial court must first determine which state has the most significant contacts to the dispute, and then apply to the dispute the law of the state with the most significant contacts.” 2013 IL App (1st) 121920, ¶ 22 . | 3 | 2014–2014 |
Madison Miracle Productions, LLC v. MGM Distribution Company
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2 sentences2019It gives the example that judges will determine facts to assess whether personal jurisdiction exists (see Madison Miracle Productions, LLC v. MGM Distribution Co. , 2012 IL App (1st) 112334 , ¶ 35, 365 Ill.Dec. 399 , 978 N.E.2d 654 ) or as part of a choice-of-law analysis (see Townsend v. Sears, Roebuck & Co. , 227 Ill. 2d 147 , 154, 316 Ill.Dec. 505 , 879 N.E.2d 893 (2007) ). 2019It gives the example that judges will determine facts to assess whether personal jurisdiction exists (see Madison Miracle Productions, LLC v. MGM Distribution Co. , 2012 IL App (1st) 112334 , ¶ 35, 365 Ill.Dec. 399 , 978 N.E.2d 654 ) or as part of a choice-of-law analysis (see Townsend v. Sears, Roebuck & Co. , 227 Ill. 2d 147 , 154, 316 Ill.Dec. 505 , 879 N.E.2d 893 (2007) ). | 2 | 2019–2019 |
Doe v. The University of Chicago Medical Center
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2 sentences2019Doe v. University of Chicago Medical Center , 2015 IL App (1st) 133735 , ¶ 4, 391 Ill.Dec. 647 , 31 N.E.3d 323 , 325 ; Village of Bloomingdale v. CDG Enterprises, Inc. , 196 Ill. 2d 484 , 486, 256 Ill.Dec. 848 , 752 N.E.2d 1090 (2001). 2019Doe v. University of Chicago Medical Center , 2015 IL App (1st) 133735 , ¶ 4, 391 Ill.Dec. 647 , 31 N.E.3d 323 , 325 ; Village of Bloomingdale v. CDG Enterprises, Inc. , 196 Ill. 2d 484 , 486, 256 Ill.Dec. 848 , 752 N.E.2d 1090 (2001). | 2 | 2019–2019 |
Murphy v. Mancari's Chrysler Plymouth, Inc.
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2 sentences2018Id. at 724 , 350 Ill.Dec. 164 , 948 N.E.2d 233 . ¶ 51 On review, the First District noted that, in the context of a choice-of-law analysis, "situations may exist where the place of injury is merely fortuitous and, therefore, not an important contact." Id. at 727 , 350 Ill.Dec. 164 , 948 N.E.2d 233 . 2018Id. at 724 , 350 Ill.Dec. 164 , 948 N.E.2d 233 . ¶ 51 On review, the First District noted that, in the context of a choice-of-law analysis, "situations may exist where the place of injury is merely fortuitous and, therefore, not an important contact." Id. at 727 , 350 Ill.Dec. 164 , 948 N.E.2d 233 . | 2 | 2018–2018 |
G.M. Sign, Inc. v. State Farm Fire and Casualty Company
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2 sentences2014Obviously, one cannot receive a fax unless that fax was sent. - 11 - 2014 IL App (2d) 130593 relevant to a choice-of-law analysis. 2014However, Nationwide is inapplicable, because (1) the district court was bound to apply either Georgia or Missouri law; (2) the court specifically rejected Illinois law; and (3) the parties had not furnished the court with - 14 - 2014 IL App (2d) 130593 facts relevant to a choice-of-law analysis. | 2 | 2014–2014 |
Emerson Electric Co. v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co.
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2 sentences2010Emerson Electric, 319 Ill. 2010Emerson Electric, 319 Ill. | 2 | 2010–2010 |
Commercial Coin Laundry Systems v. Loon Investments, LLC.
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2 sentences2008Commercial Coin, 375 Ill.App.3d at 33-34 , 313 Ill.Dec. 171 , 871 N.E.2d 898 . 2008Commercial Coin, 375 Ill.App.3d at 33-34 , 313 Ill.Dec. 171 , 871 N.E.2d 898 . | 2 | 2008–2008 |
| Mt. Carmel Soc. v. NAT. BEN FRANK. INS. green | 2 | 2001–2001 |
| Volt Info. Sciences, Inc. v. Bd. of Trustees of Leland Stanford Jr. U. green | 2 | 1999–1999 |
| Kroblin Refrigerated Xpress, Inc. v. Iowa Insurance Guaranty Ass'n green | 2 | 1997–1997 |
| Cook Associates, Inc. v. Colonial Broach & MacHine Co. green | 1 | 2026–2026 |
| The Kentucky Shakespeare Festival, Inc. v. Brantley Dunaway green | 1 | 2025–2025 |
| Quaid v. Baxter Healthcare Corp. green | 1 | 2024–2024 |
| Doe-3 v. McLean County Unit District No. 5 Board of Directors green | 1 | 2023–2023 |
| Soltysik v. Parsec, Inc. green | 1 | 2022–2022 |
| Dancor Construction, Inc. v. FXR Construction, Inc. green | 1 | 2016–2016 |
| Telecommunications Network Design Inc. v. Brethren Mutual Insurance green | 1 | 2015–2015 |
| Stubbs v. Weathersby green | 1 | 2015–2015 |
| Belleville Toyota, Inc. v. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. green | 1 | 2013–2013 |
| Haake v. TOWNSHIP HIGH SCHOOL GLENBARD green | 1 | 2013–2013 |
| Hall v. Sprint Spectrum L.P. green | 1 | 2012–2012 |
| Preston v. Ferrer green | 1 | 2011–2011 |
| Mastrobuono v. Shearson Lehman Hutton, Inc. green | 1 | 2007–2007 |
| Moore v. Wausau Club green | 1 | 1995–1995 |
| Ingersoll v. Klein green | 1 | 1995–1995 |
| Nelson v. Hix green | 1 | 1994–1994 |
| Thieme v. Union Labor Life Insurance green | 1 | 1993–1993 |
| Allen v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance green | 1 | 1993–1993 |
| Colligan v. Cousar green | 1 | 1968–1968 |
| Butler v. Wittland green | 1 | 1968–1968 |
| Millsap v. Central Wisconsin Motor Transport Co. green | 1 | 1968–1968 |
| Opp v. Pryor green | 1 | 1968–1968 |
Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.