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discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jones (2×)
5th Cir. · 2025 · confidence medium
A Jones argues that our precedents, taken together, establish a general rule that “an appeal waiver does not bar a defendant’s challenge to a punishment that a court lacked the authority to impose in the first place.” In making this argument, Jones discusses cases from this circuit which seem to support his more broadly framed exception.36 At the same time, other cases 34 Barnes, 953 F.3d at 388-89 . 35 Id. at 389 (citation omitted). 36 See United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001) (holding, without deciding whether a plea agreement can ever “accomplish an intelligent w…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Cuevas
5th Cir. · 2024 · confidence medium
Constitutional rights can be waived as part of appeal waivers, United States v. Portillo-Munoz, 643 F.3d 437, 442 (5th Cir. 2011), but the waiver will not be enforced if the language is “insufficient to accomplish an intelligent waiver of the right not to be prosecuted (and imprisoned) for conduct that does not violate the law,” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Bates
5th Cir. · 2023 · confidence medium
Baymon, 312 F.3d at 727–28 (citing United States v. Spruill, 292 F.3d 207 , 214–15 (5th Cir. 2002); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380, 384 (5th Cir. 2001); United States v. Johnson, 194 F.3d 657, 659, 662 (5th Cir. 1999), vacated and remanded, 530 U.S. 1201 (2000), opinion reinstated with modification, 246 F.3d 749 (5th Cir. 2001)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Ornelas-Castro v. United States
N.D. Tex. · 2021 · confidence medium
The Fifth Circuit has also declined to enforce an appellate waiver where, “as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ojin Kim
5th Cir. · 2021 · confidence medium
Leal also relied on the “instructive and apposite” reasoning of United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001), which set forth the principle that a plea agreement cannot waive an argument raised on appeal that the factual basis is insufficient to support a defendant’s guilty plea.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Caldwell v. United States
N.D. Tex. · 2021 · confidence medium
The Fifth Circuit has also declined to enforce an appellate waiver where, “as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Ornelas-Castro v. United States
N.D. Tex. · 2020 · confidence medium
The Fifth Circuit has also declined to enforce an appellate waiver where, “as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. J. Picazo-Lucas
5th Cir. · 2020 · confidence medium
STANDARDS OF REVIEW First, a plea agreement’s appeal-waiver provision does not apply when “the language of . . . [the] plea agreement” is “insufficient to accomplish an intelligent waiver of the right not to be prosecuted (and imprisoned) for conduct that does not violate the law.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th 1 While Picazo-Lucas’s indictment had charged him with violating § 1203(a), the government dismissed its § 1203(a) charges under the terms of the plea agreement. 2 Also pursuant to the plea agreement, Picazo-Lucas pleaded guilty to “conspiracy to transpo…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Thompson v. United States
N.D. Tex. · 2020 · confidence medium
The Fifth Circuit has also declined to enforce an appellate waiver where, “as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Pearson v. United States
N.D. Tex. · 2020 · confidence medium
The Fifth Circuit has also declined to enforce an appellate waiver where, “as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Brandon Guthrie
5th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
In order to establish that material is obscene, the government must show that: (1) “‘the average person, applying contemporary community standards’ would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest”; (2) “the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct”; and (3) “the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” 14 Guthrie concedes that the videos in question appealed to the 9 United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001). 10 United States v. Marek, 238 F.3d 310, 314 (…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Austin v. United States
S.D.N.Y. · 2017 · confidence medium
See Tolan v. Cotton, — U.S. —, 134 S.Ct. 1861, 1867 , 188 L.Ed.2d 895 (2014) (statement from one person to another is not a threat where it “did not amount to a statement of intent to inflict harm”); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 383-84 (5th Cir. 2001) (a crime did not categorically involve the “threatened use” of a deadly weapon where it could be violated without communicating such an intent); United States v. England, 507 F.3d 581, 589 (7th Cir. 2007) (“[A] ‘threat’ is ‘an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage on another.’”) (quoting Webst…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jeremias Ovalle-Chun
5th Cir. · 2016 · confidence medium
This court has previously explained that “[a] threat imports ‘[a] communicated intent to inflict physical or other harm.’” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 383 (5th Cir. 2001) (quoting Threat, Black’s Law Dictionary (6th ed. 1990)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jeremias Ovalle-Chun
5th Cir. · 2016 · confidence medium
This court has previously explained that “[a] threat imports ‘[a] communicated intent to inflict physical or other harm.’ ” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 383 (5th Cir.2001) (quoting Threat, Black’s Law Dictionary (6th ed.1990)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Wittich
E.D. La. · 2014 · confidence medium
United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 381 (5th Cir.2001). .Id. .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Charles Merrill
5th Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
We need not decide whether the appeal waiver bars this claim, see United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (noting that we were aware of no authority “that holds that a defendant can waive his substantive right ‘to be free of prosecution under an indictment that fails to charge an offense’ ” (internal quotation marks and citation omitted)), because in any event it has no merit.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Hernandez
10th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
The Hernandez-Rodriguez court found that knowingly shooting in the direction of an individual, as well as at an individual, constitutes the use of force against the person of another. 467 F.3d at 495 . ‘Whereas the knowing pointing of a firearm at another when done in obvious jest would not necessarily constitute threatened use of a deadly weapon, ... it is unreasonable to conclude that the purposeful discharge of that weapon in the direction of a person would not import[][a] communicated intent to inflict physical or other harm.” Id. (citing United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 383-84 (5…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Samaniego v. United States District Court of Arizona
9th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Monzon, 429 F.3d 1268, 1273-74 (9th Cir.2005) (reversing the defendant’s conviction where the facts stated in the plea agreement and the defendant’s statements at his plea hearing failed to establish one of the elements of the crime of conviction); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (“[Notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction.”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Samaniego v. United States District Court of Arizona
9th Cir. · 2009 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Monzon, 429 F.3d 1268, 1273-74 (9th Cir.2005) (reversing the defendant’s conviction where the facts stated in the plea agreement and the defendant’s statements at his plea hearing failed to establish one of the elements of the crime of conviction); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (“[Notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction.”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ratcliff
5th Cir. · 2007 · confidence medium
And “[t]he starting place for any determination of whether the charged conduct [is] proscribed by [a criminal] statute is a reading of the language of the charging instrument and the statute itself.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 381 (5th Cir. 2001) (second and third alterations in original) (quoting United States v. Morales- Rosales, 838 F.2d 1359, 1361 (5th Cir. 1988)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States of America, Plaintiff-Appellant-Cross-Appellee v. Barney Dewey Ratcliff, Jr., Defendant-Appellee-Cross-Appellant
5th Cir. · 2007 · confidence medium
And “[t]he starting place for any determination of whether the charged conduct [is] proscribed by [a criminal] statute is a reading of the language of the charging instrument and the statute itself.” United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 381 (5th Cir.2001) (second and third alterations in original) (quoting United States v. Morales-Rosales, 838 F.2d 1359, 1361 (5th Cir.1988)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Story
5th Cir. · 2006 · confidence medium
In one line of cases, where the government has sought to enforce defendants’ appeal waivers, this court has either explicitly referred to our lack of jurisdiction to hear the case at hand, or granted the government’s motion to dismiss the appeal pursuant to the appeal waiver, but without any jurisdictional analysis in either case. 5 See, e.g., United States v. McKinney, 406 F.3d 744, 746 (5th Cir.2005)(concluding that the defendant’s appeal waiver applied to his claim on appeal and dismissing the appeal); United States v. Martinez, 263 F.3d 436, 438 (5th Cir.2001)(finding that the defend…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Reasor
5th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
“Notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction.” Spruill, 292 F.3d at 215 (quoting United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. 2001); see United States v. Baymon, 312 F.3d 725 (5th Cir. 2002)(same); Johnson, 246 F.3d 749 .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jane Reasor, A/K/A San Juanita Rangel Reasor
5th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
“Notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction.” Spruill, 292 F.3d at 215 (quoting United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001)); see United States v. Baymon, 312 F.3d 725 (5th Cir.2002)(same); Johnson, 246 F.3d 749 .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jay Scott Ballinger
11th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Gamboa, 166 F.3d 1327 , 1331 n. 4 (11th Cir.1999) ("A court cannot accept a guilty plea unless it is satisfied that the conduct to which the defendant admits constitutes the offense charged."); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) ("notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction"). 3 94 To reiterate, I do not think this shortcoming really matters to the court's holding, as I understand the holding t…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Calderon-Pena
5th Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
The elements of an offense of course come from the statute of conviction, see United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 382 (5th Cir. 2001), not from the particular manner and means that attend a given violation of the statute.4 Prior decisions of this court have accordingly held that the statute of conviction, not the defendant’s underlying conduct, 4 For example, suppose that an indictment charged a defendant with the crime of disturbing the peace (or even the crime of littering) and also specified that he committed the crime “by throwing a bottle at the victim’s head.” Under state law, …
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Pedro Calderon-Pena (2×)
5th Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
The elements of an offense of course come from the statute of conviction, see United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 382 (5th Cir.2001), not from the particular manner and means that attend a given violation of the statute. 4 Prior decisions of this court have accordingly held that the statute of conviction, not the defendant's underlying conduct, is the proper focus.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jacquez-Beltran (2×)
5th Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
Defendant expressly waived the right to appeal in his plea agreement without making an exception for appealing the merits of the case. 2 5 Defendant maintains that his waiver of appeal should not be enforced, citing United States v. Spruill, 292 F.3d 207 (5th Cir.2002), which observed that a waiver of appeal was not an "`intelligent waiver of the right not to be prosecuted (and imprisoned) for conduct that does not violate the law.'" 292 F.3d at 215 (quoting United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Smith
5th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
United States v. Rickett, 89 F.3d unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on 224, 227 (5th Cir. 1996). direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an We consistently have upheld a sentencing element of the offense of conviction.” United court’s refusal to credit a defendant with an States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir. acceptance-of-responsibility adjustment based 2001). a positive test for drug use, either while on pretrial release or pending sentence.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jay Scott Ballinger
11th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Gamboa, 166 F.3d 1327 , 1331 n. 4 (11th Cir.1999) (“A court cannot accept a guilty plea unless it is satisfied that the conduct to which the defendant admits constitutes the offense charged.”); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (“notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the' plea as shown of record fails to establish ah element of the offense of conviction”). 3 To reiterate, I do not think this shortcoming really matters to the court’s holding, as I understand the h…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Baymon (2×)
5th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
United States v. Spruill, 292 F.3d 207, 214-15 (5th Cir.2002) (vacating sentence because factual basis was not established as to an element of the charge, that-being that predicate order was issued after a “hearing” as contemplated by 18 U.S.C. § 922 (g)(8)(A)); United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380, 384 (5th Cir.2001) (reversing because bill of information did not establish the existence of the predicate offense required for conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 922 (g)(9)); United States v. Johnson, 194 F.3d 657, 659, 662 (5th Cir.1999), vacated and remanded, 530 U.S. 1201 , 120 S.Ct. 2193 …
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Turk
5th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380, 384 (5th Cir. 2001)(factual basis did not establish the existence of the predicate offense required for conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 922 (g)(9)); United States v. Johnson, 194 F.3d 657, 659, 662 (5th Cir. 1999), vacated and remanded, 530 U.S. 1201 (2000), opinion reinstated with modification, 246 F.3d 749 (5th Cir. 2001)(factual basis did not establish that arson of church established the interstate commerce nexus required under 18 U.S.C. § 844 (i)).
cited Cited "see" United States v. Hernandez-Rodriguez
5th Cir. · 2006 · signal: see · confidence high
See United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 382-83 (5th Cir.2001).
discussed Cited "see" United States v. Sanchez
S.D. Tex. · 2003 · signal: see · confidence high
See United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (“[W]e have held that, notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction.”).
discussed Cited "see" United States v. Shelton
5th Cir. · 2003 · signal: see · confidence high
See White, 258 F.3d at 382 (explaining that the "elements of the offense are determined by the statute defining it”). 6 .
discussed Cited "see, e.g." United States v. Nyandoro
5th Cir. · 2025 · signal: see also · confidence low
To start, the appeal-waiver language in White differs materially from that in Nyandoro’s plea agreement. 59 Moreover, the defendant in White challenged the sufficiency of the indictment on its face—a jurisdictional defect not present _____________________ understand the ‘nature of the charge’ against them refers to the elements of the offense.” (citation omitted)). 54 Barnes, 953 F.3d at 387 (citing Brady v. United States, 397 U.S. 742, 757 (1970)); see also United States v. Jones, 134 F.4th 831 , 837–38 (5th Cir. 2025) (rejecting the argument that a waiver was not knowing and inte…
discussed Cited "see, e.g." United States v. Nyandoro
5th Cir. · 2025 · signal: see also · confidence low
To start, the appeal-waiver language in White differs materially from that in Nyandoro’s plea agreement. 58 Moreover, the defendant in White challenged the sufficiency of the indictment on its face—a jurisdictional defect not present here. 59 And most significantly, the defendant in White expressly preserved _____________________ 53 Barnes, 953 F.3d at 387 (citing Brady v. United States, 397 U.S. 742, 757 (1970)); see also United States v. Jones, 134 F.4th 831 , 837–38 (5th Cir. 2025) (rejecting the argument that a waiver was not knowing and intelligent based on subsequent changes in the…
discussed Cited "see, e.g." United States v. Rainey
E.D. La. · 2013 · signal: see, e.g. · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 381 (5th Cir.2001) (“To be sufficient, an indictment must allege each material element of the offense; if it does not, it fails to charge that offense.”), abrogated on other grds by United States v. Cotton, 535 U.S. 625, 631 , 122 S.Ct. 1781 , 152 L.Ed.2d 860 (2002).
discussed Cited "see, e.g." Slavek v. Hinkle
E.D. Va. · 2005 · signal: see, e.g. · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 379-80 (5th Cir.2001) ("[E]ntry of a guilty plea does not act as a waiver of jurisdictional defects such as an indictment’s failure to charge an offense ....”) (citation omit *490 ted); Sodders v. Parratt, 693 F.2d 811, 812 (8th Cir.1982) (rejecting challenge to sufficiency of indictment for failure to allege all facts required to support elements of crime, and noting that the "information cannot be challenged unless it fails to charge a crime”); Broncheau, 597 F.2d at 1262 n. 1 (claims that "the indictment fails to state an offense” are…
discussed Cited "see, e.g." United States v. Spruill
5th Cir. · 2002 · signal: see also · confidence medium
See also United States v. White, 258 F.3d 374, 380 (5th Cir.2001) (“notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction”). 10 Nor do we conclude that review at this stage is barred by the waiver of appeal provisions in Spruill’s plea agreement.
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UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee,
v.
Robert WHITE, Defendant-Appellant
00-40393.
Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
Jul 13, 2001.
258 F.3d 374
Alan Reeve Jackson, Asst. U.S. Atty. (argued), Tyler, TX, for Plaintiff-Appellee., Gerald H. Goldstein (argued), Cynthia Eva Hujar Orr, Goldstein, Goldstein & Hilley, San Antonio, TX, for Defendant-Appellant.
Garwood, Hall, Barksdale.
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GARWOOD, Circuit Judge:

DefendanL-Appellant Robert Alan White appeals his conviction, pursuant to his guilty plea, of one count of violating 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9). He asserts that the count of which he was convicted fails to state an offense and that his motion to dismiss the superseding indictment should have been granted. We conclude the count of conviction does not state an offense because neither of the predicate offenses alleged constitutes “a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence,” under section 922(g)(9), in that neither “has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon” as required by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(A)(ii). We accordingly reverse and remand.

Facts and Proceedings Below

White was charged in an August 3, 1999, nine count superseding indictment. Each count charged a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9) [2] based on White’s possession on May 3, 1999, in Collin County, Texas, of a firearm, after having been convicted on August 1, 1994, of two specified offenses, each asserted to be “a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(A). [3] Each of the nine counts relies on the same two August 1, 1994, predicate convictions, which are alleged in paragraphs 1 and 2 of the indictment’s “introduction,” those paragraphs being incorporated by reference in each of the nine counts. And, each of the nine counts is otherwise identical except only that each alleges a different firearm. The[*377] indictment’s two introductory paragraphs are as follows:

“1. On or about August 1, 1994, the Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was convicted of the offense of reckless conduct, in violation of Section 22.05, Texas Penal Code, in Cause No. 2-80456-94, in the County Court at Law Number 2, Collin County, Texas. Section 22.05(a), Texas Penal Code, as it existed on August 1, 1994, provided, in part: ‘A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.’ The information on which Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was convicted, charged, in part, that the defendant ‘[D]id then and there recklessly engage in conduct that placed Shaun O’Neal White in imminent danger of serious bodily injury by then and there knowingly pointing a firearm at and in the direction of the said Shaun O’Neal White.’ Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was, at the time the offense was committed, the spouse of Shaun O’Neal White.” “2. On or about August 1, 1994, the Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was convicted of the offense of terroristic threat, in violation of Section 22.07, Texas Penal Code, in Cause No. 2-84294-98, in the County Court at Law Number 2, Collin County, Texas. Section 22.07, Texas Penal Code, as it existed on August 1, 1994, provided, in part: ‘(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to: ... (2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury ...’ The information on which Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was convicted, charged, in part, that the defendant ‘[D]id then and there intentionally and knowingly threaten to commit an offense involving violence to Valerie Martinico, namely, threatened to kill Valerie Martinico, with intent to place Valerie Martinico in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.’ Defendant, ROBERT WHITE, was, at the time the offense was committed, the former spouse of Valerie Martinico.”

Count 4 of the indictment — the count White was convicted of on his guilty plea, the other counts being dismissed pursuant to the plea agreement — reads as follows:

“The Grand Jury realleges paragraphs 1 and 2 of the Introduction.”
“On or about the 3rd day of May, 1999, in Collin County, Texas, in the Eastern District of Texas, ROBERT WHITE, Defendant herein, having been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, specifically, 1) Reckless conduct, in Cause No. 2-80456-94, in the County Court at Law Number 2, Collin County, Texas, on August 1, 1994, and 2) Terroristic threat, in Cause No. 2-84294-93, in the County Court at Law Number 2, Collin County, Texas, on August 1, 1994, did knowingly and unlawfully possess in and affecting commerce, and receive a firearm, specifically, a Remington semi-automatic shotgun, Model SP-10 Mag, 10 gauge, displaying serial number RM033655, which had been shipped and transported in interstate commerce, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 922(g)(9) and 924(a)(2).” [4]

On October 20, 1999, White filed an extensive motion to dismiss the indictment, asserting: that the May 3, 1999, federal search of his Collin County home during which the nine firearms charged in the indictment were found was pursuant to «n[*378] invalid warrant as the warrant was based on his deposition testimony which was compelled contrary to his Fifth Amendment rights; that “[t]he alleged prior convictions the government intends to use to prove its charges are not ‘misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence’ under section 921 (a)(33)(A)that his guilty plea, and waiver of jury trial, to the predicate offenses was not “knowing and intelligent” as required by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(38)(B); that section 922(g)(9) violated 'White’s rights under the Second Amendment, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment and the Ninth Amendment; and that section 922(g)(9) violates the Tenth Amendment and exceeds Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause.

On November 1, 1999, the district court held an evidentiary hearing on White’s motion to dismiss. It denied the motion in a November 4, 1999, order, without stating reasons. On November 5, 1999, White and the government executed a plea agreement pursuant to which White agreed to plead guilty to count 4 and the government agreed to dismiss the remaining counts (and not to prosecute White for any statements made in connection with his acquisition of the firearm alleged in count 4). There was no agreement as to sentence. On the same day, and pursuant to the written consent of White and the government, the magistrate judge held a Fed. R.Crim.P. Rule 11 hearing and recommended that White’s plea be accepted. The district court subsequently adopted the magistrate judge’s report, and pursuant thereto accepted White’s plea and found him guilty of count 4.

The evidence at the hearing on the motion to dismiss and at the Rule 11 hearing reflected the following. White was convicted on August 1, 1994, in the County Court at Law No. 2 of Collin County, Texas, of one offense of reckless conduct, in violation of Section 22.05(a) of the Texas Penal Code and of one offense of terroristic threat, in violation of Section 22.07(a)(2), Texas Penal Code. In each case the conviction was by plea (of guilty to reckless conduct and of no contest to ter-roristic threat) to an information alleging that the offense was committed in Collin County. White was represented by counsel. The section 22.05(a) information alleged that on July 7, 1993, White did: “recklessly engage in conduct that placed Shaun O’Neal White in imminent danger of serious bodily injury by then and there knowingly pointing a firearm at and in the direction of the said Shaun O’Neal White.” The section 22.07(a)(2) information alleged that on September 27, 1993, White did “intentionally and knowingly threaten to commit an offense involving violence to Valerie Martinico, namely, threatened to kill Valerie Martinico, with intent to place Valerie Martinico in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.”

The Rule 11 and motion to dismiss evidence likewise showed that on July 7,1993, White and Shaun O’Neal White (the victim named in the section 22.05(a) charge) were married to each other, and that "White had married Valerie Martinico (the victim named in the section 22.07(a)(2) charge) in October 1989 and their marriage was annulled in March 1990. The evidence also showed that on September 14, 1998, White purchased the firearm alleged in count 4 from a licensed federal firearms dealer in Garland, Texas, executing an ATF form 4473, that this weapon was manufactured outside of the state of Texas, and that it (together with the firearms charged in the other counts) was found in White’s home in Collin County, Texas, in the search thereof by Federal officers on May 3,1999. [5]

[*379] White was sentenced to forty-one months’ confinement, a $7,500 fíne and three years’ supervised release. He timely brings this appeal. [6]

Discussion

White raises several contentions on appeal. We consider only the argument that neither of the two August 1, 1994, predicate convictions was a conviction of a “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” under section 922(g)(9) (see note 2 above) because neither “has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon” against the victim as required by section 921 (a)(33)(A)(ii) (see note 3 above).

Because White first advanced this argument on appeal in his reply brief, we allowed the government to file a supplemental brief in response. In it, the government urges that White has waived this argument and that, in any event, the Texas predicate offenses of which White was convicted each constituted a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. We first address the government’s waiver arguments.

I. Waiver

The government offers three bases for finding waiver: 1) White’s failure to raise the argument in his initial appellate brief; 2) White’s plea of guilty admitted that the predicate offenses were misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence; and 3) the provision of the plea agreement waiving the right to appeal.

The government’s first two grounds for waiver have, in the context of a challenge to the sufficiency of an indictment, been consistently rejected by this Court. It is well settled that the “entry of a guilty plea does not act as a waiver of jurisdictional defects such as an indictment’s failure to charge an offense” and that the defendant may raise such failure at any time. United States v. Meacham, 626 F.2d 503, 510 (5th Cir.1980). See also Fed.R.CRIM.P. 12(b)(2); United States v. Berrios-Centeno, 250 F.3d 294, 2001 WL 435494 (5th Cir. Apr.27, 2001); United States v. Cabrera-Teran, 168 F.3d 141, 143 (5th Cir.1999); United States v. Marshall, 910 F.2d 1241, 1243 (5th Cir.1990); United [*380] States v. Morales-Rosales, 838 F.2d 1359, 1361-62 (5th Cir.1988); United States v. Edrington, 726 F.2d 1029, 1031 (5th Cir.1984). Moreover, we have held that, notwithstanding an unconditional plea of guilty, we will reverse on direct appeal where the factual basis for the plea as shown of record fails to establish an element of the offense of conviction. See, e.g., United States v. Johnson, 194 F.3d 657 (5th Cir.1999), vacated and remanded, 530 U.S. 1201, 120 S.Ct. 2193, — L.Ed.2d - (2000), prior opinion reinstated with modification, 246 F.3d 749 (5th Cir.2001).

Turning to the third basis for waiver, the plea agreement contained the following provision:

“With the exception of: (a) Sentencing Guidelines determinations, and (b) issues arising from the Court’s denial of Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss, Defendant waives any appeal, including collateral appeal under 28 U.S.C. § 2255, of any error which may occur surrounding substance, procedure, or form of the conviction and sentencing in this case.”

The government accurately points out that White’s motion to dismiss, in support of its contention that the predicate August 1, 1994, convictions were not for “misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence,” argued only that they were not such because neither of the Texas statutes he was convicted of violating, Texas Penal Code sections 22.05(a) and 22.07(a)(2), made it an element of the offense that the victim had or had had any marital or other relationship to the defendant, [7] and that in any event Martinico was not within the relationship contemplated by section 921(a)(33)(A)(ii) because his marriage to her had been annulled years before commission of the predicate offense involving her. The government also correctly observes that similar plea agreement provisions are routinely held to deprive appellate courts of jurisdiction to hear appeals of sentencing issues. See, e.g. United States v. Melancon, 972 F.2d 566, 567 (5th Cir.1992). The government cites no authority, and we are aware of none, that holds that a defendant can waive his substantive right “to- be free of prosecution under an indictment that fails to charge an offense.... ” United States v. Meacham, 626 F.2d 503, 509-10 (5th Cir.1980). The considerations militating against waiver are particularly forceful where, as here, the claimed defect in the indictment is not merely a matter of its omission or misuse of wording but is rather that, as a matter of law, the indictment itself affirmatively reflects that the offense sought to be charged was not committed. Without deciding whether that character of defect is ever waivable in a civilized system of justice, we conclude that the language of White’s conditional plea agreement fails to embrace such a jurisdictional defect and, in any event, is insufficient to accomplish an intelligent waiver of the right not to be prosecuted (and imprisoned) for conduct that does not violate the law. We also note in this connection that White preserved his pretrial motion to dismiss the indictment, and that motion contained an attack on the sufficiency of the indictment that is related to that we address herein. We reject the government’s waiver argument, especially since failure to do so risks depriving a person of his liberty for conduct that does not constitute an offense.

II. Merits

If, as here, the defendant raises a challenge to the indictment for the first[*381] time on appeal and does not assert procedural prejudice, such as lack of adequate notice of the erimé alleged, we read the indictment with “maximum liberality” and will find it sufficient unless “it is so defective that by any reasonable construction, it fails to charge the offense for which the defendant is convicted.” United States v. Fitzgerald, 89 F.3d 218, 221 (5th Cir.1996) (footnote omitted); see also United States v. Cabrera-Teran, 168 F.3d 141, 143 (5th Cir.1999).

“The indictment or the information shall be a plain, concise and definite written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged.” Fed. R.CRIM.P. 7(c)(1). “To be sufficient, an indictment must allege each material element of the offense; if it does not, it fails to charge that offense. This requirement stems directly from one of the central purposes of an indictment: to ensure that the grand jury finds probable cause that the defendant has committed each element of the offense, hence justifying a trial, as required by the Fifth Amendment.” Cabrera-Teran, 168 F.3d at 143 (footnotes omitted). “The starting place for any determination of whether the charged conduct [is] proscribed by [a criminal] statute is a reading of the language of the charging instrument and the statute itself.” United States v. Morales-Rosales, 838 F.2d 1359, 1361 (5th Cir.1988).

White was convicted of violating section 922(g)(9) (see note 2, supra). That section, by its terms, can be violated only by one “who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.” Section 921(a)(33)(A) (see note 3 supra,) defines “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” so that no offense is included within that definition unless it, m- ter alia, “has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon,” against the victim. Count 4 of the indictment (like each of the other counts) incorporated by reference paragraphs 1 and 2 of the indictment’s introduction, and clearly alleged that the predicate convictions were the two convictions of August 1,1994, one for violation of Texas Penal Code section 22.05(a) and the other for violation of Texas Penal Code section 22.07(a)(2).

These sections of the Texas Penal Code as in effect August 1, 1994, [8] provided as follows:

“Sec. 22.05. Reckless Conduct”
(a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
“Sec. 22.07. Terroristic Threat”
(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:
(1) cause a reaction of any type to his threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;
(2) place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury; or
(3) prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building; room; place of assembly; place to which the public[*382] has access; place of employment or occupation; aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance; or other public place; or
(4) cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service,
(b) An offense under Subdivision (1) or (2) of Subsection (a) of this section is a Class B misdemeanor. An offense under Subdivision (3) of Subsection (a) of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subdivision (4) of Subsection (a) of this section is a felony of the third degree. [9]

The question then is whether either of these Texas offenses “has, as an element,” either “the use or attempted use of physical force” or “the threatened use of a deadly weapon” against the victim. What the elements of these Texas offenses are is a question of law which we review de novo. See, e.g., Salve Regina College v. Russell, 499 U.S. 225, 111 S.Ct. 1217, 113 L.Ed.2d 190 (1991). The elements of the offense are determined by the statute defining it. See United States v. Deisch, 20 F.3d 139, 143 (5th Cir.1994); Texas Penal Code § 1.03(a) (“Conduct does not constitute an offense unless it is defined as an offense by statute, municipal ordinance, order of a county commissioners court, or rule authorized by and lawfully adopted under a statute”).

We first consider section 22.05(a), which provides that one “commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.” This offense does not require that the perpetrator actually “use” “physical force” against another (or use it at all). [10] Nor does section 22.05(a) require that there be any “attempted use of physical force.” Attempt necessarily imports a specific intent. [11] However, spe[*383] cific intent is a more culpable state of mind than recklessness, [12] which is all that section 22.05(a) requires. It is evident that neither “the use ... of physical force” nor “the ... attempted use of physical force” is an element of the section 22.05(a) offense.

Similarly, “the threatened use of a deadly weapon” against the victim is not an element of the section 22.05(a) offense. The provision of section 22.05(b) that “[rjecklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the fire-aim be loaded” does not make “threatened use of a deadly weapon” an element of the offense. To begin with, “this provision ... is not a required element of ... [the offense], [but] only a permissive means by which to trigger a presumption of recklessness.” Hirad v. State, 14 S.W.3d 351, 352 n. 1 (Tex.App.—Hou. [14th Dist.] 2000, p.d.r. ref'd). See also Kingsbury v. State, 14 S.W.3d 405, 409 (Tex.App.Waco, 2000) (section 22.05(a) has “no requirement that a deadly weapon was used”). [13] Moreover, “knowingly pointing a firearm at or in the direction of’ an individual, as referenced in section 22.05(b), is not the same as having “threatened use of a deadly weapon” against that individual as provided in section 921(a)(33)(A). This lack of equivalence is evident from the fact that Texas Penal Code §§ 22.01(a)(2) (see note 10 supra) and 22.07(a) each explicitly contain the element “threatens,” but section 22.05 does not mention “threatens” (or “threat” or “threaten”) or any synonym thereof. A threat imports “[a] communicated intent to inflict physical or other harm” and is “distinguished from words uttered as mere ... idle talk or jest.” Black’s Law Dictionary (6th ed. 1990) at 1480. See also United States v. Howell, 719 F.2d 1258, 1260 (5th Cir.1983) (threat must be “a serious one, not uttered in jest, idle talk, or political argument”); 31A Am.Jur.2d Extortion, Blackmail, Threats § 63 (threat must be communicated), § 67 (“idle talk or jests which do not have a reasonable tendency to create apprehension that the speaker will act according” thereto are not threats); Brown v. State, 142 Tex.Crim. 405, 154 S.W.2d 464, 465 (1941) (threat must be “seriously made”). [14] Knowingly pointing a firearm in the direction of an[*384] individual when done in obvious jest would not necessarily constitute threatened use of the weapon, even though the pointing might actually place the individual in imminent danger of serious bodily injury. Certainly, to convict under section 22.05(a)— or to invoke the section 22.05(b) presumption — the trier of fact would not be required to find that by knowingly pointing the weapon the defendant “threatened use” of it against the victim. It is plain, then, that section 22.05(a) does not have “as an element” that the defendant “threatened use of a deadly weapon” against the victim.

In sum, a conviction for violating section 22.05(a) is not a conviction of a “crime of domestic violence” for purposes of section 922(g)(9) because section 22.05(a) is not “an offense that ... has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon,” against the victim, as required by section 921(a)(33)(A).

We turn now to the remaining purported crime of domestic violence alleged in the indictment, namely the conviction for violation of section 22.07(a)(2). This offense is committed if the defendant “threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to ... place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.” Id. The offense does not have as an element “the use or attempted use of physical force.” Obviously, section 22.07(a)(2) does not require actual “use” of physical force, but only threatened use (of violence). It may be committed by leaving a verbal message on a telephone answering machine. Cook v. State, 940 S.W.2d 344 (Tex.App.-Amarillo 1997, p.d.r. ref'd). Nor does section 22.07(a)(2) require the “attempted use of physical force.” Attempt requires an intent to commit the attempted act and a substantial step, beyond mere preparation, toward committing it. United States v. Thompson, 130 F.3d 676, 688 (5th Cir.1997); 21 Am.Jur.2d Criminal Law §§ 176, 177. By contrast, “it is immaterial to the” section 22.07(a)(2) “offense whether the accused had the capability or the intention to carry out his threat,” and “it is not necessary that the victim or anyone else was actually placed in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.” Dues v. State, 634 S.W.2d 304, 305 (Tex.Crim.App.1982); Cook at 347. Nor does section 22.07(a)(2) have as an element “the threatened use of a deadly weapon.” Nothing in section 22.07(a) even mentions a weapon (or any synonym thereof), much less a deadly weapon. [15]

Because section 22.07(a)(2) is not “an offense that ... has as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon” against the victim, as required by section 921(a)(33)(A), it is not a crime of domestic violence for purposes of section 922(g)(9).

Conclusion

Because the indictment on its face reflects as a matter of law that neither of the only two predicate offenses alleged in the count of conviction for violating section 922(g)(9) was a “crime of domestic violence” as required by that section and section 921(a)(33)(A), White’s conviction is reversed and the cause is remanded for proceedings consistent herewith.

REVERSED and REMANDED.

2

. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9) provides:

“(g) It shall be unlawful for any person — ”
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence,
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
3

. 18 U.S.C. § 921 (a)(33)(A) provides:

“(a) As used in this chapter — ”

(33)(A) ... the term “misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” means an offense that—

(i) is a misdemeanor under Federal or State law; and
(ii) has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon, committed by a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse, parent, or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.
4

. As noted, the other eight counts are identical to count 4 except each of the other eight alleges a different firearm.

5

. The evidence on the motion to dismiss re-fleets that the search came about in the fol[*379] lowing manner.

In February of 1999, White was married to Meghan White, but they were separated and she was in the process of divorcing him. Apparently in an attempt to obtain leverage against him in the impending battle for custody of the couple's son, Meghan contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and informed BATF Special Agent Crossland that White had been convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence and was, therefore, unlawfully in possession of several firearms which he kept “in a gun safe at his residence." Crossland conducted a search of White’s criminal history and found the two August 1, 1994, convictions alleged in the indictment (he does not mention any others). Crossland told Meghan that he needed fresher evidence before he could obtain a search warrant for White's residence. Meghan then informed Crossland that, in connection with the divorce, she would soon be deposing White. Crossland stated that if White were, in this deposition, to openly admit that he possessed firearms at his residence, Crossland would then have sufficient cause to obtain a search warrant. Not surprisingly, at the April 8, 1999, deposition, for which White had been subpoenaed, Meghan’s attorney asked White (who was also represented by counsel) if he possessed firearms at his residence. Believing the question to relate to the safe storage of the weapons, White answered in the affirmative. As a result, Crossland was able to obtain a search warrant for White’s residence on April 29, 1999, and it was executed on May 3, 1999. Government agents confiscated the nine firearms found there which are alleged in the nine counts of the indictment.

6

. The district court ultimately stayed execution of the sentence pending resolution of this appeal.

7

. White also raises this contention on the present appeal. We do not reach it. Nor do we reach any other of White’s contentions raised on this appeal and not addressed in this opinion.

8

. Each section has been amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, effective September 1, 1994.

9

. We take judicial notice of Texas law. See, e.g., Lamar v. Micou, 114 U.S. 218, 5 S.Ct. 857, 859, 29 L.Ed. 94 (1885) ("The law of any state of the Union, whether depending upon statutes or upon judicial opinions, is a matter of which the courts of the United States are bound to take judicial notice, without plea or proof”); Budget Rent-A-Car Corp. v. Fein, 342 F.2d 509, 514 n. 11 (5th Cir.1965) ("federal courts take judicial knowledge of the laws, statutory and judicial, of all of the states. Neither pleading nor proof is required”); J.M. Blythe Motor Lines Corp. v. Blalock, 310 F.2d 77, 78 (5th Cir.1962); Gallup v. Caldwell, 120 F.2d 90, 93 (3d Cir.1941).

10

. Compare Texas Penal Code § 22.01(a):

"(a) A person commits an offense if the person:”
(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.
11

. See, e.g., Tex. Penal Code § 15.01(a) ("A person commits an offense if, with specific intent to commit an offense, he does an act amounting to more than mere preparation that tends but fails to effect the commission of the offense intended”); U.S. v. Thompson, 130 F.3d 676, 688 (5th Cir.1997). See also 21 Am.Jur.2d Criminal Law § 176:

"Attempt is a specific intent crime. The act constituting the attempt must be done with the intent to commit that particular crime. It is the intent to commit the crime, not the possibility of success, which determines whether the defendant’s act or omission constitutes the crime of attempt. Consequently, the defendant must act intentionally, and as neither negligence nor recklessness includes specific intent, as required for crime of attempt, there can be no attempt to accomplish an unintended result.”
"... Implicit in the meaning of attempt is the will of the actor to accomplish the act attempted; there is no such thing as attempted negligence or attempted reck[*383] lessness. To establish an attempt, the state must thus prove that the defendant acted with the culpability required.”

Id. at 251, 111 S.Ct. 1217 (footnotes omitted).

12

. See Tex. Penal Code § 6.02(d):

"(d) Culpable mental states are classified according to relative degrees, from highest to lowest, as follows:”
(1) intentional;
(2) knowing;
(3) reckless;
(4) criminal negligence.
13

. Under Texas Penal Code § 2.05(1) "if there is sufficient evidence of the facts that give rise to the [statutory] presumption" then "the existence of the presumed fact must be submitted to the jury, unless the court is satisfied that the evidence as a whole clearly precludes a finding beyond a reasonable doubt of the presumed fact.” If the presumed fact is submitted to the jury, it "shall” be instructed that if "the facts giving rise to the presumption” "are proven beyond a reasonable doubt the jury may find that the element of the offense sought to be presumed exists, but it is not bound to so find.” Id. § 2.05(2). This instruction must be given respecting the § 22.05(b) presumption. Handley v. State, 649 S.W.2d 105 (Tex.App.Tyler, 1983).

14

. While under Texas law "[a] threat can be communicated by action or conduct as well as words,” Horn v. State, 647 S.W.2d 283, 284 (Tex.Crim.App.1983), nevertheless there must be some communication of the threat. McGowan v. State, 664 S.W.2d 355, 357-58 (Tex.Crim.App.1984); Benjamin v. State, 621 S.W.2d 617, 619 (Tex.Crim.App.1981); Mitchell v. State, 543 S.W.2d 637 (Tex.Crim.App.1976).

15

. Compare Texas Penal Code § 22.02(a)(2) (a person commits aggravated assault if he “uses or exhibits a deadly weapon during the commission of the assault").