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discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Gilbert, Gwyneth v. Lands' End, Inc.
W.D. Wis. · 2022 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
an expert who supplies nothing but a bottom line supplies nothing of value to the judicial process.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Zarinebaf v. Champion Petfoods USA, Inc.
N.D. Ill. · 2022 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Jody Wayne Whelchel v. State (2×) also: Cited as authority (rule)
Tex. App. · 2015 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
it is a daunting task for judges who do not have a scientific background (and most do not) to decide whether a scientist's testimony is real science or not
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Robbins, Neal Hampton
Tex. App. · 2015 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
it is a daunting task for judges who do not have a scientific background (and most do not) to decide whether a scientist's testimony is real science or not
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Acosta v. Shell Western Exploration & Production, Inc.
N.M. Ct. App. · 2012 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort. law lags behind science; it does not lead it.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Acosta v. Shell W. Expl. & Prod., Inc.
N.M. Ct. App. · 2012 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort. law lags behind science; it does not lead it.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Lewis v. Citgo Petroleum Corp. (3×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see, e.g."
7th Cir. · 2009 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Michael Lewis v. Citgo Petroleum Corp (3×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see, e.g."
7th Cir. · 2009 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Nemir v. Mitsubishi Motors
6th Cir. · 2004 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
an expert who supplies nothing but a nemir also sought to present testimony from court bottom line supplies nothing of value to the judicial process appointed expert lindley manning, who, like horton, was . . . .
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Goebel v. Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad (4×) also: Cited as authority (rule), Cited "see"
10th Cir. · 2003 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort. law lags science; it does not lead it.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Real Estate Value Co. v. USAir, Inc.
N.D. Ill. · 1997 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.
discussed Cited as authority (quoted) In re Accutane Litig.
N.J. · 2018 · signal: cf. · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence low
the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort.
discussed Cited as authority (quoted) Linnen v. A.H. Robins Co.
Mass. Super. Ct. · 1999 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence low
the object of daubert . . . was to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work
cited Cited as authority (rule) Gaston Roberts, et al. v. Zhejiang Huahai Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., et al.
D.N.J. · 2025 · confidence medium
Law lags science; it does not lead it.” Id. at 468 (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Hanafin v. General Motors Company
N.D. Ill. · 2025 · confidence medium
Third, Plaintiff argues that Dr. Zeidler’s opinion fails because it is tainted by speculation and therefore unreliable. “[A] district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) American Home Assurance Company v. Makita Corporation
N.D. Ind. · 2024 · confidence medium
Daubert helps “to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996); accord Kumho Tire Co. v. Carmichael, 526 U.S. 137, 152 (1999); Gen.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) People of Michigan v. Milton Lee Lemons
Mich. · 2024 · confidence medium
In conjunction with the serious methodological concerns found in at least two of the studies, the trial court was well within its discretion to exclude defendant’s experts from using these correlative and unrelated studies to make the massive intellectual leap that the physical symptoms exhibited by Nakita supported choking and not severe shaking. 71 Even asphyxiation; stating the medical consensus rejecting the material medical value of Cohen’s studies in the treatment and diagnosis of child abuse). 71 See, e.g., Gen Electric Co v Joiner, 522 US 136, 143-146 ; 118 S Ct 512 ; 139 L Ed 2d 5…
cited Cited as authority (rule) Hess v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company
D. Colo. · 2024 · confidence medium
Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996); see generally Gen.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) UNDERWOOD v. SCARBROUGH
M.D. Ga. · 2023 · confidence medium
In evaluating Dr. Kraft’s evidence under the Daubert regime, this Court must therefore determine whether her conclusions are “genuinely scientific,” rather than mere “unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.” Allison, 184 F.3d at 1317–1318 (citing Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Indiana GRQ, LLC v. American Guarantee and Liability Insurance Company
N.D. Ind. · 2023 · confidence medium
Daubert helps “to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996); accord Kumho Tire Co. v. Carmichael, 526 U.S. 137, 152 (1999).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Otero v. Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad Co.
N.D. Ind. · 2023 · confidence medium
Daubert helps “to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996); accord Kumho Tire, 526 U.S. at 152 .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Ezell v. City Of Chicago
N.D. Ill. · 2022 · confidence medium
See also Minasian v. Standard Chartered Bank, PLC, 109 F.3d 1212, 1216 (7th Cir.1997); Rosen v. Ciba–Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir.1996); Tellabs Operations, Inc. v. Fujitsu Ltd., 283 F.R.D. 374 , 385 -386 (N.D.Ill. 2012). 2 Black pointed out that there were a number of unusable prints that could be from “any number of people, including the Plaintiffs.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Murphy v. Wisconsin Central Limited
E.D. Wis. · 2022 · confidence medium
And “the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Walters v. Flint
E.D. Mich. · 2022 · confidence medium
Experts simply cannot provide flatly inconsistent opinion evidence “in the alternative” and still meet the guidelines set forth by Rule 702 and Daubert.3 (One imagines the coroner testifying that the victim was not dead, but if he were dead, it would certainly have been because of poisoning.) Experts may not base their opinions on speculation, nor may they engage in “scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort.” Tamraz, 620 F.3d at 671 (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Moorer v. City of Chicago, The
N.D. Ill. · 2021 · confidence medium
The experts’ opinions are more than a “bottom line,” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996) (quoting Mid-State Fertilizer Co. v. Exch.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) SCCI Hospitals of America LLC v. Home-Owners Insurance Company
N.D. Ind. · 2021 · confidence medium
Daubert helps “to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996); accord Kumho Tire, 526 U.S. at 152 .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Short v. Marvin Keller Trucking, Inc.
E.D. Ky. · 2021 · confidence medium
Co., 620 F.3d 665, 671 (6th Cir. 2010) (quoting Rosen v. Ciba–Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996)). “‘[N]o matter how good ‘experts’ ‘credentials’ may be, they are ‘not permitted to speculate.’” Id. (quoting Goebel v. Denver & Rio Grande W.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Anderson v. Raymond Corporation
S.D. Ill. · 2021 · confidence medium
His opinions are not the “unscientific speculation of a genuine scientist.” See Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp. 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) STEPHAN LANZO, III VS. CYPRUS AMAX MINERALS COMPANY (L-7385-16, MIDDLESEX COUNTY AND STATEWIDE) (CONSOLIDATED)
N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div. · 2021 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
"It is not for a trial court to bless new 'inspired' science theory; the goal is to permit the jury to hear reliable science to support the expert opinion." Ibid.; cf. Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996) (observing that "the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort").
cited Cited as authority (rule) ADA-ES, Inc. v. Big Rivers Electric Corporation
W.D. Ky. · 2020 · confidence medium
EVID. 702)); Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996) (Posner, J.) (“[T]he courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort.”).
cited Cited as authority (rule) TODERO v. TOWN OF GREENWOOD
S.D. Ind. · 2020 · confidence medium
"And 'the courtroom is no place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort.'" Id. (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Wilant v. BNSF Railway Company
Del. Super. Ct. · 2020 · confidence medium
Law lags science; it does not lead it.” Rosen v. Ciba- Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996). 16
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Chiaracane v. Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation
S.D.N.Y. · 2020 · confidence medium
Dr. Patel’s opinion that TBP caused the plaintiffs’ pulmonary conditions amounts to guesswork, “[b]ut the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Sarkees v. E. I. DuPont de Nemours and Company
W.D.N.Y. · 2020 · confidence medium
Law lags science; it does not lead it.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996); see also Colon v. Abbott Labs., 397 F. Supp. 2d 405, 415 (E.D.N.Y. 2005) (rejecting an expert opinion in part because it was not tested and was “set forth for the first time in his April 2005 affidavit”).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Cynthia Madej v. Jeff Maiden
6th Cir. · 2020 · confidence medium
Tamraz, 620 F.3d at 670 (quoting Daubert, 509 U.S. at 590 ); see, e.g., Nelson, 243 F.3d at 254 ; Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) IN RE: ACCUTANE LITIGATION (MCL-271, ATLANTIC COUNTY AND STATEWIDE)
N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div. · 2020 · signal: cf. · confidence medium
"It is not for a trial court to bless new 'inspired' science theory; the goal is to permit the jury to hear reliable science to support the expert opinion." Id. at 397 ; cf. Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996) (observing that "the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort").
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Webb v. Carnival Corp.
S.D. Fla. · 2017 · confidence medium
Therefore, Mr. Jaques’ opinion is inadmissible because “ ‘[u]nder the regime of Dau-bert ... a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.’ ” Allison, 184 F.3d at 1316-17 (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Bowersock v. Davol, Inc.
S.D. Ind. · 2017 · confidence medium
In doing so, the Court must “determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) R-BOC Representatives, Inc. v. Minemyer
unknown court · 2017 · confidence medium
See also Minasian v. Standard Chartered Bank, PLC, 109 F.3d 1212, 1216 (7th Cir.1997); Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir.1996). .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Braylon Seifert v. Kay M. Balink, M.D. (2×)
Wis. · 2017 · confidence medium
The point, according to Kumho Tire, is to ensure that an expert, "whether basing testimony upon professional studies or personal experience, employs in the courtroom the same level of intellectual rigor that characterizes the practice of an expert in the relevant field." Kumho Tire, 526 U.S. at 152 .23 22 Blinka, supra note 5, at 61 23 See also Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996) (The purpose of the rule announced in Daubert "was to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professi…
examined Cited as authority (rule) Braylon Seifert v. Kay M. Balink, M.D. (4×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
Wis. · 2017 · confidence medium
The record substantiates a conclusion that Dr. Wener "adhere [d] to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in [his] professional work." Cooper, 211 F.3d at 1020 (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996)). 4 ¶ 188.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Surgery Center at 900 North Michigan Avenue, LLC v. American Physicians Assurance Corp.
N.D. Ill. · 2016 · confidence medium
See also, Minasian v. Standard Chartered Bank, PLC, 109 F.3d 1212, 1216 (7th Cir. 1997); Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) In re Mirena IUD Products Liability Litigation
S.D.N.Y. · 2016 · confidence medium
Law lags science; it does not lead it.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir.1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Hidalgo County, Texas v. Dora Herrera, Individually, and as Representative of the Estate of Reynaldo Herrera, Eric Herrera, Efren Herrera, Michael Herrera, Jessica Herrera Rodriguez, Celia Herrera, Vanessa Herrera, Veronica Herrera Rodriguez Herrera, and Rey Herrera
Tex. App. · 2015 · confidence medium
Co., 229 F.3d 1202, 1208 (8th Cir. 2000) (quoting Heller, 167 F.3d at 155 ). 1368 Id. at 1209. 1369 Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir. 1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Melissa Dromgoole v. State
Tex. App. · 2015 · confidence medium
App. 2010), quoting Rosen v. Ciba–Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir. 1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Fankhauser v. Secretary of Health and Human Services
Fed. Cl. · 2014 · confidence medium
Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318-19 (7th Cir. 1996); Hines v. Sec’y of Health & Human Servs., 21 Cl.
cited Cited as authority (rule) Ernst v. City of Chicago
N.D. Ill. · 2014 · confidence medium
Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir.1996).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Higgins v. Koch Development Corp.
S.D. Ind. · 2014 · confidence medium
Methodology The “district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist.” Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir.1996).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Anderson v. Ford Motor Co.
D. Utah · 2013 · confidence medium
Id. at 783 (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 318 (7th Cir.1996)). .
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Henderson v. Thomas
M.D. Ala. · 2012 · confidence medium
Dr. Scheibel was more skeptical: “[T]he bottom line is that we do not know how transmission may occur when people are sharing needles and when people are tattooing in terms of HIV transmission.” Despite Dr. Altice’s optimism and indicators showing that virally-suppressed HIV-positive persons pose a drastically reduced risk of transmission when sharing needles, “ ‘[l]aw lags science; it does not lead it.’ ” McClain v. Metabolife Int'l, Inc., 401 F.3d 1233, 1247 (11th Cir.2005) (quoting Rosen v. Ciba-Geigy Corp., 78 F.3d 316, 319 (7th Cir.1996)).
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Raymond ROSEN, Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
CIBA-GEIGY CORPORATION, Defendant-Appellee
95-3064.
Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.
Mar 11, 1996.
78 F.3d 316
1996 U.S. App. LEXIS 4285
1996 WL 106362
Michael Resis (argued), Paul Sarauskas, Querrey & Harrow, Chicago, IL, for plaintiff-appellant., Anne G. Kimball (argued), Kevin B. Reid, Elizabeth A. Sanders, Wildman, Harrold, Allen & Dixon, Chicago, IL, for defendantappellee.
Posner, Cummings, Bauer.
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POSNER, Chief Judge.

The defendant, Ciba-Geigy, manufactures a nicotine patch called “Habitrol.” The patch is affixed to the user’s skin and delivers nicotine through the skin and into the bloodstream. The goal is to help the user break his cigarette habit by alleviating his craving for nicotine. The patch is available only by prescription. The instructions that accompany the patch warn both the physician and the patient that the patient should not smoke while wearing the patch and that a patient who has coronary artery disease should be carefully screened before the patch is prescribed for him. The plaintiff, Rosen, a heavy smoker all his adult life, had his first heart attack in 1987, followed by quadruple bypass surgery. He was told to stop smoking, but did not. He experienced chest pains and other cardiac symptoms in the following years, indicating a progression of his coronary artery disease. His previous heart attack, high blood pressure, cholesterol count, age (60 in 1992), and continued smoking placed him at high risk of having another heart attack.

In June of 1992 the cardiologist who was treating Rosen, Dr. Car, prescribed the Habitrol patch and told him not to smoke while wearing it. Rosen affixed the patch to his arm but continued smoking, as, we are told, 75 percent of patch wearers do. Upon awakening on the morning of the third day of wearing the patch, Rosen smoked two cigarettes and then took a bath. During the bath he removed the patch and immediately felt a numbing sensation in the same arm. Later that morning he experienced discomfort in his chest, went to the hospital, and was diagnosed as having had another heart attack. He later resumed smoking and has since had two more heart attacks.

This diversity suit claims that Ciba-Geigy was negligent in developing, marketing, and selling the Habitrol patch. What exactly the negligence is believed to consist in is unclear. It is also unclear why the plaintiff has pleaded negligence rather than, as is usual in a products case, strict liability — though in a case, such as this, involving an alleged defect in the conception or design rather than manufacture of a product, there may be no difference. Bammerlin v. Navistar Int’l Transportation Corp., 30 F.3d 898, 902 (7th Cir.1994); Flaminio v. Honda Motor Co., Ltd., 733 F.2d 463, 467 (7th Cir.1984). The suit was dismissed on summary judgment for want of an adequate showing of a causal connection between the patch and the heart attack, so the issue of the defendant’s alleged[*318] breach of its duty of care was not explored. The plaintiff seems to believe either that the warnings of possible harm to people with coronary artery disease are inadequate or that the product is unreasonably dangerous, perhaps because the product is sold to addicts who can be expected to disregard any warnings. For purposes of this appeal we accept these beliefs, without of course vouching for their validity.

When an unusual event follows closely on the heels of another unusual event, the ordinary person infers a causal relation; so it was natural for Mr. Rosen to assume that the heart attack he experienced in June of 1992 was caused either by wearing or removing the patch. The inference is reinforced by the fact that nicotine is a principal ingredient of cigarette smoke, which is known to be a cause of coronary artery disease, and by the fact that the manufacturer of the patch had warned that it might have bad effects on persons who already have the disease. But lay speculations on medical causality, however plausible, are a perilous basis for inferring causality; and though Rosen refers to newspaper accounts of “an epidemic of heart attacks to patch users who smoked” while wearing the patch, we do not understand him to be quarreling with the proposition that without scientific evidence of a causal relation between the nicotine patch and his heart attack, as distinct from journalistic reports, he cannot prevail in this suit.

Rosen relied for his scientific evidence on the deposition of Dr. Harry Fozzard, a distinguished cardiologist and department head at the University of Chicago. Despite Fozzard’s sterling credentials, the district judge ruled that his opinion concerning the role of the nicotine patch in Rosen’s heart attack would not be admissible in evidence; and without that evidence Rosen’s case was doomed. The judge also thought that Rosen could not prove causality because Fozzard said that the probability that Rosen would have had a heart attack anyway, nicotine patch or no, was 95 percent. But Fozzard did not say when that almost inevitable heart attack would have occurred; and the loss of even a small chance of averting a serious harm may be compensable under Illinois law (here applicable), as we noted recently in Murrey v. United States, 73 F.3d 1448, 1453-54 (7th Cir.1996); see also Doll v. Brown, 75 F.3d 1200, 1205-06 (7th Cir.1996).

So the district judge’s decision can be sustained only if his ruling on the admissibility of Fozzard’s evidence is upheld. Under the regime of Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 509 U.S. 579, 113 S.Ct. 2786, 125 L.Ed.2d 469 (1993), a district judge asked to admit scientific evidence must determine whether the evidence is genuinely scientific, as distinct from being unscientific speculation offered by a genuine scientist. As Judge Kozinski has emphasized in his opinion on remand from the Supreme Court’s decision in Daubert, it is a daunting task for judges who do not have a scientific background (and most do not) to decide whether a scientist’s testimony is real science or not. 43 F.3d 1311, 1315-16 (9th Cir.1995). But they must do the best they can, and we think the district judge was right (and certainly acting within the scope of his discretion) in concluding that Dr. Fozzard’s testimony was not real science.

To reach this conclusion we do not have to become philosophers of science and set forth the necessary and sufficient conditions of “real” science. When the Supreme Court in Daubert told judges to distinguish between real and courtroom science, it was not with the object of discovering the essence of “science,” if there is such an essence. The object, we think, while conceding the uncertainty concerning the reach of the majority opinion discussed in the Chief Justice’s separate opinion, 509 U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2799, was to make sure that when scientists testify in court they adhere to the same standards of intellectual rigor that are demanded in their professional work. Cf. 509 U.S. at ---, 113 S.Ct. at 2796-97; O’Conner v. Commonwealth Edison Co., 13 F.3d 1090, 1106-07 (7th Cir.1994). If they do, their evidence (provided of course that it is relevant to some issue in the case) is admissible even if the particular methods they have used in arriving at their opinion are not yet accepted as canonical in their branch of the scientific community. If they do not, their evidence is inadmissible no mat[*319] ter how imposing their credentials. Regarding the second half of this test, the half involved in this case, we said before (but consistently with) Daubert that “an expert who supplies nothing but a bottom line supplies nothing of value to the judicial process. ... Professor Bryan would not accept from his students or those who submit papers to his journal an essay containing neither facts nor reasons; why should a court rely on the sort of exposition the scholar would not tolerate in his professional life?” Mid-State Fertilizer Co. v. Exchange National Bank, 877 F.2d 1333, 1339 (7th Cir.1989).

Dr. Fozzard’s deposition, while expressing what may be an insightful, even an inspired, hunch concerning the cause of the heart attack that Rosen experienced in June of 1992, lacks scientific rigor. The deposition offers neither a theoretical reason to believe that wearing a nicotine patch for three days, or removing it after three days, could precipitate a heart attack, or any experimental, statistical, or other scientific data from which such a causal relation might be inferred or which might be used to test a hypothesis founded on theory. The usual kind of heart attack, and the kind that Rosen has now had several times, is a myocardial infarction, which is a sudden, drastic reduction in the flow of blood to the heart as a result of plaque breaking loose from the walls of a coronary artery and forming a clot that blocks the artery. That smoking cigarettes can contribute to the formation of plaque and so play a causal role in heart attacks is now very generally accepted. Whether nicotine, which is only one ingredient of cigarette smoke, can have that effect is much less clear, despite Ciba-Geigy’s warnings, which could, though required by the Food and Drug Administration, be overcautious. But let us assume that nicotine can contribute to the formation of plaque. Fozzard mentioned a study of dogs which found this; and though an automatic extrapolation from dogs to human beings would not be warranted, animal studies play an important role in human medical research. Missing from Fozzard’s deposition, however, is any recognition of the distinction between the short-run and long-run effects of smoking, fatty diet, high blood pressure, diabetes, and the other well-known causal factors in coronary artery disease and hence in heart attacks. Wearing a nicotine patch for three days, like smoking for three days, is not going to have a significant long-run effect on coronary artery disease; that much is clear. In the long, gradual progression of Rosen’s coronary artery disease those three days were a blink of the eye. The patch could have had no significance for Rosen’s health, therefore, unless it precipitated his heart attack in June of 1992. That is an entirely different question from whether nicotine, or cigarettes, are bad for one’s arteries.

We are baffled by Fozzard’s failure to make this elementary distinction. Shoveling snow can precipitate a heart attack, but it cannot cause coronary artery disease. Eating an omelette every day can (in combination with a genetic or other abnormality that prevents the body from properly regulating the level of cholesterol in the blood) cause coronary artery disease; but eating an omelette three days in a row is exceedingly unlikely to precipitate a heart attack. Quitting smoking is, by inducing stress, more likely to precipitate a heart attack than smoking one more cigarette is likely to do. In this example an event has opposite short-run and long-run consequences for heart attacks — -increasing the short-run likelihood and reducing the long-run likelihood. Exercise is a similar example. Nowhere in Fozzard’s deposition is there an explanation of how a nicotine overdose (for remember that Rosen was smoking at the same time that he was wearing the patch) can precipitate a heart attack, or a reference to a medical or other scientific literature in which such an effect of nicotine is identified and tested. Since Fozzard is a distinguished cardiologist, his conjecture that nicotine can have this effect and may well have had it on Rosen is worthy of careful attention, even though he has not himself done research on the effects of nicotine. But the courtroom is not the place for scientific guesswork, even of the inspired sort. Law lags science; it does not lead it. There may be evidence to back up Fozzard’s claim, but none was presented to the district court.

[*320] Dr. Car’s deposition hints that a nicotine overdose might cause an arterial spasm that might in turn cause an infarct. But again no backing from scientific theory or data was offered. There is also no evidence concerning the level of nicotine in Rosen’s blood when he had the infarct and Car’s own conclusion was that the patch had not caused Rosen’s heart attack — a conclusion that Rosen does not like, so he calls Car’s deposition “waffling” and says that in it Car “several times made contradictory statements.” The district court was within its discretion in concluding that the scientific evidence of causation that the plaintiff offered was not admissible, and therefore in dismissing the suit.

The plaintiff also argues that the district judge taxed “exorbitant” costs, in particular $1,400 for copies, which the plaintiffs calls “outrageous.” The plaintiff has made no effort to substantiate these accusations, and we reject them.

AFFIRMED.