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strange rule in Illinois

32 Illinois opinions name it 2 courts 1913–2023 3 in the last five years

The cases below were cited by Illinois courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.

Followed or applied (4)

CaseFollowedCited
Jackson Jordan, Inc. v. Leydig, Voit & Mayergreen
ill · 1994 · cited in 12 Illinois opinions naming this issue, 1998–2023
2 sentences

2022See Jackson Jordan, Inc. v. Leydig, Voit & Mayer, 158 Ill. 2d 240, 253 (1994) (holding that “[i]t would be a strange rule if every client were required to seek a second legal opinion whenever it found itself threatened with a lawsuit”); Lucey, 301 Ill.

2022See Jackson Jordan, Inc. v. Leydig, Voit & Mayer, 158 Ill. 2d 240, 253 (1994) (holding that “[i]t would be a strange rule if every client were required to seek a second legal opinion whenever it found itself threatened with a lawsuit”); Lucey, 301 Ill.

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Lucey v. Law Offices of Pretzel & Stouffer, Charteredgreen
illappct · 1998 · cited in 6 Illinois opinions naming this issue, 2007–2022
2 sentences

2022See Jackson Jordan, Inc. v. Leydig, Voit & Mayer, 158 Ill. 2d 240, 253 (1994) (holding that “[i]t would be a strange rule if every client were required to seek a second legal opinion whenever it found itself threatened with a lawsuit”); Lucey, 301 Ill.

2022See Jackson Jordan, Inc. v. Leydig, Voit & Mayer, 158 Ill. 2d 240, 253 (1994) (holding that “[i]t would be a strange rule if every client were required to seek a second legal opinion whenever it found itself threatened with a lawsuit”); Lucey, 301 Ill.

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ITT Small Business Finance Corp. v. Nilesgreen
cal · 1994 · cited in 2 Illinois opinions naming this issue, 1998–1998
2 sentences

1998See also International Engine Parts, Inc. v. Feddersen & Co., 9 Cal. 4th 606, 620 , 888 P.2d 1279 , 1287, 38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 150, 158 (1995) (where client brought accountant malpractice action based upon accountant’s negligent filing of tax returns, rule that cause of action does not accrue until date of deficiency tax assessment conserves judicial resources); ITT Small Business Finance Corp. v. Niles, 9 Cal. 4th 245, 257 , 885 P.2d 965, 972 , 36 Cal. Rptr. 2d 552, 559 (1994) (holding it would be a waste of judicial resources to require both the underlying litigation and the legal malpractice ac

1998See also International Engine Parts, Inc. v. Feddersen & Co., 9 Cal. 4th 606, 620 , 888 P.2d 1279 , 1287, 38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 150, 158 (1995) (where client brought accountant malpractice action based upon accountant’s negligent filing of tax returns, rule that cause of action does not accrue until date of deficiency tax assessment conserves judicial resources); ITT Small Business Finance Corp. v. Niles, 9 Cal. 4th 245, 257 , 885 P.2d 965, 972 , 36 Cal. Rptr. 2d 552, 559 (1994) (holding it would be a waste of judicial resources to require both the underlying litigation and the legal malpractice ac

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International Engine Parts, Inc. v. Feddersen & Co.green
cal · 1995 · cited in 1 Illinois opinions naming this issue, 1998–1998
2 sentences

1998See also International Engine Parts, Inc. v. Feddersen & Co., 9 Cal. 4th 606, 620 , 888 P.2d 1279 , 1287, 38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 150, 158 (1995) (where client brought accountant malpractice action based upon accountant’s negligent filing of tax returns, rule that cause of action does not accrue until date of deficiency tax assessment conserves judicial resources); ITT Small Business Finance Corp. v. Niles, 9 Cal. 4th 245, 257 , 885 P.2d 965, 972 , 36 Cal. Rptr. 2d 552, 559 (1994) (holding it would be a waste of judicial resources to require both the underlying litigation and the legal malpractice ac

1998See also International Engine Parts, Inc. v. Feddersen & Co., 9 Cal. 4th 606, 620 , 888 P.2d 1279 , 1287, 38 Cal. Rptr. 2d 150, 158 (1995) (where client brought accountant malpractice action based upon accountant’s negligent filing of tax returns, rule that cause of action does not accrue until date of deficiency tax assessment conserves judicial resources); ITT Small Business Finance Corp. v. Niles, 9 Cal. 4th 245, 257 , 885 P.2d 965, 972 , 36 Cal. Rptr. 2d 552, 559 (1994) (holding it would be a waste of judicial resources to require both the underlying litigation and the legal malpractice ac

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Distinguished, questioned or overruled (0)

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Also cited on this issue (19)

CaseCitedYears
The PEOPLE v. Bender green
ill · 1960
2 sentences

2000It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon him the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” Bender , 20 Ill. 2d at 53-54 .

2000It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon him the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” Bender, 20 Ill. 2d at 53-54 .

71975–2000
The PEOPLE v. Bedford green
ill · 1964
2 sentences

1978(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-45 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 54-53 .) Tt would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.’ (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .)” (Emphasis added.) People v. McCullum (1977), 66 Ill. 2d 306, 312-13 , 362 N.E.2d 307, 310 .

1977(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-35 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) “It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) Similarly, in McKinstray, the court noted, “To accept defendant’s opinion that he is able to co-operate with counsel in his defense, when

21977–1978
The PEOPLE v. Thompson green
ill · 1967
2 sentences

1978(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-45 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 54-53 .) Tt would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.’ (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .)” (Emphasis added.) People v. McCullum (1977), 66 Ill. 2d 306, 312-13 , 362 N.E.2d 307, 310 .

1977(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-35 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) “It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) Similarly, in McKinstray, the court noted, “To accept defendant’s opinion that he is able to co-operate with counsel in his defense, when

21977–1978
People v. McCullum green
ill · 1977
2 sentences

1978(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-45 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 54-53 .) Tt would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.’ (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .)” (Emphasis added.) People v. McCullum (1977), 66 Ill. 2d 306, 312-13 , 362 N.E.2d 307, 310 .

1978(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-45 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 54-53 .) Tt would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.’ (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .)” (Emphasis added.) People v. McCullum (1977), 66 Ill. 2d 306, 312-13 , 362 N.E.2d 307, 310 .

21977–1978
The People v. McKinstray green
ill · 1964
2 sentences

1977(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-35 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) “It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) Similarly, in McKinstray, the court noted, “To accept defendant’s opinion that he is able to co-operate with counsel in his defense, when

1975It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon him the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” ( 20 Ill.2d 45, 53-54 .) Accord, People v. McKinstray, 30 Ill.2d 611 , 198 N.E.2d 829 (1964).

21975–1977
Frye v. Partridge green
ill · 1876
2 sentences

1923In Frye v. Partridge, 82 Ill. 267 , the court said it would be a strange doctrine to hold that an owner of real estate could not convey a part and restrict its use in such manner as not to impair or lessen in value the portion retained, and that the court was aware of no restriction upon the rights of an owner to convey upon such terms and conditions as he might see proper or might be acceptable to the grantee, except that the right should be exercised with proper regard to public policy.

1913In Frye v. Partridge, 82 Ill. 267 , the court said: “It would be a strange doctrine, indeed, to hold that an owner of real estate could not convey a part and restrict its use in such a manner as not to impair or lessen in value the portion retained.

21913–1923
Hedgpeth v. Pulido green
scotus · 2008
2 sentences

2009In fact, drawing a distinction between alternative-theory error and the instructional errors in Neder, Roy, Pope, and Rose would be ‘patently illogical,’ given that such a distinction ‘ “reduces to the strange claim that, because the jury ... received both a ‘good’ charge and a ‘bad’ charge on the issue, the error was somehow more pernicious than ... where the only charge on the critical issue was a mistaken one.” ’ [Citations.]” (Emphases in original.) Pulido, 555 U.S. at 61 , 172 L.

2009In fact, drawing a distinction between alternative-theory error and the instructional errors in Neder, Roy, Pope, and Rose would be ‘patently illogical,’ given that such a distinction ‘ “reduces to the strange claim that, because the jury ... received both a ‘good’ charge and a ‘bad’ charge on the issue, the error was somehow more pernicious than ... where the only charge on the critical issue was a mistaken one.” ’ [Citations.]” (Emphases in original.) Pulido, 555 U.S. at 61 , 172 L.

12009–2009
Hoem v. Zia green
illappct · 1992
2 sentences

2004The court then stated as follows: “It would be a strange rule indeed that would require a plaintiff to present all conceivably relevant evidence in her case in chief— despite her preference not to do so — because she otherwise would be barred from presenting that evidence in rebuttal in the event defendants present evidence in their case in chief that plaintiff needs to (and can) rebut. *** Such a rule would also be antithetical to the concerns expressed by all involved in our civil justice system about its present costs, wastes, and delays.” (Emphasis in original.) Hoem, 239 Ill.

2004App. 3d at 619 , 606 N.E.2d at 830 .

12004–2004
Krabbenhoft v. Gossau green
ill · 1929
2 sentences

1992The court therefore stated: “It would be a strange doctrine which would compel a court of chancery to hold that the parties kept out of title and possession by the vendors’ default must yet assume the vendor’s obligations during such period.” (Krabbenhoft, 337 Ill. at 412 , 169 N.E. at 264 .) The instant case is also distinguishable from Lidikevicz in that plaintiff did not receive benefits from the property to be acquired during the time defendant wrongfully withheld the property.

1992The court therefore stated: “It would be a strange doctrine which would compel a court of chancery to hold that the parties kept out of title and possession by the vendors’ default must yet assume the vendor’s obligations during such period.” (Krabbenhoft, 337 Ill. at 412 , 169 N.E. at 264 .) The instant case is also distinguishable from Lidikevicz in that plaintiff did not receive benefits from the property to be acquired during the time defendant wrongfully withheld the property.

11992–1992
D. I. Felsenthal Co. v. Northern Assurance Co. neutral
ill · 1918
1 sentence

1991Every principle of insurance law and sound reasoning would seem to be against such contention.” (Felsenthal, 284 Ill. at 348-49 .) Given the fact that an insured corporation cannot recover if the sole shareholder is found to have destroyed the corporate property, it would be a strange rule which would preclude the admission of evidence which tends to show that the sole shareholder was responsible for the fire.

11991–1991
People v. Lucas green
ill · 1981
2 sentences

1984(People v. Lucas (1981), 88 Ill. 2d 245, 250 , 430 N.E.2d 1091 .) Moody assigned error in his post-trial motion only to “prejudicial inflammatory and erroneous statements in closing argument designed to arouse the prejudices and passions of the jury,” which is insufficient to preserve specific remarks for review, absent plain error.

1984(People v. Lucas (1981), 88 Ill. 2d 245, 250 , 430 N.E.2d 1091 .) Moody assigned error in his post-trial motion only to “prejudicial inflammatory and erroneous statements in closing argument designed to arouse the prejudices and passions of the jury,” which is insufficient to preserve specific remarks for review, absent plain error.

11984–1984
People v. Hubert green
illappct · 1977
1 sentence

1977Following an analysis similar to that in Garlick, the supreme court concluded: “Fundamental fairness dictates that, where a defendant has raised a bona fide doubt as to his fitness to stand trial, the State, as a matter of due process, should bear the ultimate burden of proving defendant’s fitness to stand trial.” ( 66 Ill. 2d 306, 314 .) Discussing the concept of “retroactive” application of McCullum, the First District in People v. Hubert, 51 Ill.

11977–1977
Pate v. Robinson green
scotus · 1966
2 sentences

1977(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-35 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) “It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) Similarly, in McKinstray, the court noted, “To accept defendant’s opinion that he is able to co-operate with counsel in his defense, when

1977(People v. Thompson (1967), 36 Ill. 2d 332, 334-35 ; People v. Bedford (1964), 31 Ill. 2d 227, 228-29 ; People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) “It would be a strange rule, indeed, to impose upon [the defendant] the burden of proving his own incompetence, for the very disability which he would be seeking to prove renders him incapable, either logically or legally, of sustaining the burden of proof.” (People v. Bender (1960), 20 Ill. 2d 45, 53-54 .) Similarly, in McKinstray, the court noted, “To accept defendant’s opinion that he is able to co-operate with counsel in his defense, when

11977–1977
United States v. Jerry Neale Albright green
ca4 · 1968
1 sentence

1977United States v. Albright (4th Cir. 1968), 388 F.2d 719, 724 , following the Whitlow lead, held that a court-ordered pretrial psychiatric examination was not a per se violation of the privilege against self-incrimination on the basis of the maintenance of a fair State-individual balance.

11977–1977
State v. Whitlow green
nj · 1965
2 sentences

1977It would be a strange doctrine, indeed, to permit a person charged with crime to put in issue his want of mental capacity to commit it, and in order to make his plea invulnerable, prevent all inquiry into his mental state or condition. [Citation.] To allow the accused to obtain his own expert, and after a private and unlimited conference with him and examination by him, to plead insanity, and then put forward the privilege against self-incrimination to frustrate like activities by the prosecution is to balance the competing interests unfairly and disproportionately against the public.” 45 N.J.

1977It would be a strange doctrine, indeed, to permit a person charged with crime to put in issue his want of mental capacity to commit it, and in order to make his plea invulnerable, prevent all inquiry into his mental state or condition. [Citation.] To allow the accused to obtain his own expert, and after a private and unlimited conference with him and examination by him, to plead insanity, and then put forward the privilege against self-incrimination to frustrate like activities by the prosecution is to balance the competing interests unfairly and disproportionately against the public.” 45 N.J.

11977–1977
Opat v. City of Chicago neutral
illappct · 1940
1 sentence

1967Another case establishing that an independent suit may be maintained in such cases for child support is Hoover v. Hoover, 307 Ill App 590, 603, 30 NE2d 940 (1940) (1st Dist), holding that “. . . the duty of a father to support his minor child exists and can be enforced, even by the people, despite the existence of an adverse decree awarding the custody of the child to the mother, where the decree makes no provision for the payment of any sum for the support of the child.” (Emphasis added.) It would be a strange doctrine that would permit a new and separate action by plaintiff and deny her the

11967–1967
Brandenburg v. Country Club Building Corp. neutral
ill · 1928
1 sentence

1957Corp., 332 Ill. 136 , the court said (p. 145): “The owner of real estate has the right to convey it subject to any restriction he may see fit to impose and the only restriction upon such right is that it must be exercised with proper regard to public policy and that the conveyance must not be in restraint of trade.

11957–1957
Lidikevicz v. Kopala green
ill · 1925
1 sentence

1929Counsel cite Lidikevicz v. Kopala , 315 Ill. 404 , and call attention to the holding that the decree in that case was in error for charging the vendors with taxes and assessments after the time provided by the contract.

11929–1929
Hopkins v. Patton green
ill · 1913
1 sentence

1916If persons in being are before the court who have the same interest and are equally certain to bring forward the entire merits of the question, and thus give such interests effective protection, the dictates both of convenience and justice require that there should be a complete decree.” (See, also, to the same effect, Hopkins v. Patton, 257 Ill. 346 ; Thompson v. Adams, 205 id. 552; Denegre v. Walker, 214 id. 113; Temple v. Scott, 143 id. 290.) It would, indeed, be a strange doctrine to hold that a court of equity could not preserve the interests of the minors in this property and give legal

11916–1916

Statutes the citing opinions construe

IL § 735 ILCS 5/13-214.3 (7) IL § 735 ILCS 5/2-1005 (5)

Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.

Where else courts name it

IL 32 (1913–2023) TX 23 (1859–2017) CA 17 (1891–2026) FL 9 (1923–2002) NY 8 (1902–1973) MO 8 (1890–2022) IA 7 (1899–2017) MI 6 (1970–1999) NJ 6 (1965–1996) AL 6 (1958–2013) LA 5 (1905–1971) OR 5 (1919–1987) OH 4 (1902–1998) MD 4 (1981–2009) TN 4 (1997–2010) MT 3 (1926–2018) WA 3 (2012–2018) VA 3 (1911–2020) IN 3 (1885–1991) AZ 3 (1971–2011) WV 2 (1915–1921) KS 2 (1909–1936) WY 2 (1988–1991) UT 2 (1987–1994) NC 2 (1927–1992)

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