19 Ohio opinions name it 2 courts 1991–2026 5 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Ohio courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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State v. Williamsgreen2 sentences2026“This contemporaneous- objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel ‘“to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.”’” Wintermeyer, 2019-Ohio-5156, at ¶ 10 , quoting State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 (1978), quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 (1922). 2019This contemporaneous-objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel “ ‘to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.’ ” State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 , 364 N.E.2d 1364 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 , 98 S.Ct. 3137 , 57 L.Ed.2d 1156 , quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 , 138 N.E. 376 (1922). | 2 | 3 |
Puckett v. United Statesgreen2 sentences2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p 2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p | 2 | 2 |
State v. Murphygreen2 sentences2026“The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: ‘Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attention of the court.’” State v. Murphy, 91 Ohio St.3d 516, 532 (2001), quoting Crim.R. 52(B). {¶ 31} Specifically, the Ohio Supreme Court is clear that appellant’s failure to raise an issue with his consecutive sentences at the time of sentencing forfeits all but 17. plain error. 2006Citing State v. Murphy, 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 532 , 2001-Ohio-112 , the state observes that the failure of a party to interject a contemporaneous objection to error, even constitutional error, waives further consideration. | 1 | 3 |
Wainwright v. Sykesgreen2 sentences2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p 2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p | 1 | 2 |
State v. Driscollgreen2 sentences2026“This contemporaneous- objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel ‘“to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.”’” Wintermeyer, 2019-Ohio-5156, at ¶ 10 , quoting State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 (1978), quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 (1922). 2019This contemporaneous-objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel “ ‘to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.’ ” State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 , 364 N.E.2d 1364 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 , 98 S.Ct. 3137 , 57 L.Ed.2d 1156 , quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 , 138 N.E. 376 (1922). | 1 | 2 |
State v. Taborgreen2 sentences2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p 2026Moreover, “the contemporaneous-objection rule prevents a litigant from ‘sandbagging’ the court—remaining silent about his objection and belatedly raising the error only if the case does not conclude in his favor.” Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 134 (2009), quoting Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 (1977); accord State v. Tabor, 2017-Ohio-8656, ¶ 20 (4th Dist.). {¶51} In the case at bar, appellant’s failure to contemporaneously object to the State’s failure to file a written motion, or to the court’s failure to issue a written order, means that he forfeited all but plain error for p | 1 | 1 |
State v. Hallgreen1 sentence2026See State v. Hall, 2025-Ohio-3199, ¶ 176 (4th Dist.). | 1 | 1 |
State v. Beasleygreen1 sentence2026Rogers at ¶ 28 ; State v. Beasley, 2018-Ohio-493, ¶ 272 (Dewine, J., concurring in judgment only) (“The rule that the failure to raise an error forfeits all but plain error extends to errors that occur during sentencing hearings.”). | 1 | 1 |
State v. McKeegreen2 sentences2024McKee at 298, fn. 3 . {¶ 19} Justice Cook observed part of the reason for this distinction is to give force to the contemporaneous objection rule. 2024Id. at 301 . | 1 | 1 |
The People v. Sprinklegreen1 sentence2020Id. at 31-34 (citing People v. Sprinkle, 27 Ill.2d 398, 401 (1963), and holding that the contemporaneous-objection rule "has limited application when the error is that the trial judge has ceased to be impartial" because a "judge who has become partisan cannot be expected to correct the error.") {¶ 15} The state responds that West cannot rely on Tumey, because in that case "the defendant had been tried and convicted by the mayor of the village, who had a pecuniary interest in convicting the defendant." (Appellee's Brief at 4.) We agree that the situation at issue in Tumey was very unusual—the c | 1 | 1 |
United States v. Vonngreen2 sentences2017Cf. Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 , 97 S.Ct. 2497 , 53 L.Ed.2d 594 (1977); see also United States v. Vonn, 535 U.S. 55, 72 , 122 S.Ct. 1043 , 152 L.Ed.2d 90 (2002). 556 U.S. at 134 .3 2 Bethel, a case that preceded Drummond by fourteen days, appears to directly conflict with Drummond. 2017Cf. Wainwright v. Sykes, 433 U.S. 72, 89 , 97 S.Ct. 2497 , 53 L.Ed.2d 594 (1977); see also United States v. Vonn, 535 U.S. 55, 72 , 122 S.Ct. 1043 , 152 L.Ed.2d 90 (2002). 556 U.S. at 134 .3 2 Bethel, a case that preceded Drummond by fourteen days, appears to directly conflict with Drummond. | 1 | 1 |
Uptain v. Huntington Lab, Inc.green1 sentence2017See Uptain v. Huntington Lab, Inc., 723 P.2d 1322, 1330 (Colo. 1986) (The primary purposes of the contemporaneous objection rule is “to permit the trial court to accurately evaluate the legal issues and to enable the appellate court to apprehend the basis of the objection.”). ¶ 75 Second, Grinnan asserts that “the [trial] court did not take judicial notice of the specific facts it intended to use.” But the trial court’s statement — “I know how much work these things are” — belies this assertion. | 1 | 1 |
Williams v. Parker Hannifin Corp.green2 sentences2012“The purposes of the contemporaneous objection rule include allowing the questioner to correct his or her mistake or inadvertence, as well as allowing the trial court to avoid error by taking corrective action.” (Citation omitted.) Williams v. Parker Hannifin Corp., 188 Ohio App.3d 715 , 2010-Ohio-1719 , 936 N.E.2d 972, ¶ 15 (12th Dist.). {¶18} One’s failure to object to the use of evidence when the alleged error could be remedied waives the issue. 2012“The purposes of the contemporaneous objection rule include allowing the questioner to correct his or her mistake or inadvertence, as well as allowing the trial court to avoid error by taking corrective action.” (Citation omitted.) Williams v. Parker Hannifin Corp., 188 Ohio App.3d 715 , 2010-Ohio-1719 , 936 N.E.2d 972, ¶ 15 (12th Dist.). {¶18} One’s failure to object to the use of evidence when the alleged error could be remedied waives the issue. | 1 | 1 |
State v. Spisakgreen2 sentences2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent 2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent | 1 | 1 |
LeFort v. Century 21-Maitland Realty Co.green1 sentence1991See LeFort v. Century-21 Maitland Realty Co. (1987), 32 Ohio St.3d“ 121, 123, 512 N.E.2d 640, 642 . *685 The issue thus remains whether the trial court erred in admitting Exhibit Number 15. | 1 | 1 |
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Jordan v. Arizona
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2 sentences2026“This contemporaneous- objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel ‘“to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.”’” Wintermeyer, 2019-Ohio-5156, at ¶ 10 , quoting State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 (1978), quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 (1922). 2019This contemporaneous-objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel “ ‘to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.’ ” State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 , 364 N.E.2d 1364 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 , 98 S.Ct. 3137 , 57 L.Ed.2d 1156 , quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 , 138 N.E. 376 (1922). | 2 | 2019–2026 |
State v. Wintermeyer (Slip Opinion)
green
2 sentences2026State v. Wintermeyer, 2019-Ohio-5156, ¶ 10 . 2026“This contemporaneous- objection requirement imposes a duty on trial counsel ‘“to exercise diligence and to aid the court rather than by silence mislead the court into commission of error.”’” Wintermeyer, 2019-Ohio-5156, at ¶ 10 , quoting State v. Williams, 51 Ohio St.2d 112, 117 (1977), vacated in part on other grounds, 438 U.S. 911 (1978), quoting State v. Driscoll, 106 Ohio St. 33, 39 (1922). | 2 | 2026–2026 |
Mallin v. Mallin
green
2 sentences2012“The contemporaneous objection rule is a fundamental principle which appellate courts cannot easily disregard.” Mallin v. Mallin, 44 Ohio App.3d 53, 54 , 541 N.E.2d 116 (8th Dist.1988). 2012“The contemporaneous objection rule is a fundamental principle which appellate courts cannot easily disregard.” Mallin v. Mallin, 44 Ohio App.3d 53, 54 , 541 N.E.2d 116 (8th Dist.1988). | 2 | 2001–2012 |
State v. Murphy
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2 sentences2006Citing State v. Murphy, 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 532 , 2001-Ohio-112 , the state observes that the failure of a party to interject a contemporaneous objection to error, even constitutional error, waives further consideration. 2002However, such a substitution permitted without notice to counsel and without any additional instruction to the jury to begin deliberations anew is error. {¶ 27} This court, in State v. Brown (1995), 108 Ohio App.3d 489 , 671 N.E.2d 280 , cited to State v. Miley (1991), 77 Ohio App.3d 786 , 603 N.E.2d 1070 , headnote 3, which states, substitution of alternate for regular juror after jury has retired to consider its verdict is not per se plain error, rather, reversal is required only where there is some showing of prejudice. {¶ 28} In State v. Murphy , 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 2001-Ohio-112 , 747 N.E | 2 | 2002–2006 |
United States v. Karl v. David
green
2 sentences2001A timely objection in such a circumstance would provide the court an opportunity to consider the question, possibly avoid the commission of an error, and thereby prevent the need for retrial upon appellate reversal — the very purposes of the contemporaneous objection rule.” (Footnote omitted.) Id. at 643 . 2001A timely objection in such a circumstance would provide the court an opportunity to consider the question, possibly avoid the commission of an error, and thereby prevent the need for retrial upon appellate reversal—the very purposes of the contemporaneous objection rule.” (Footnote omitted.) Id. at 643 . {¶ 23} In this case, it was not clear either at the time of trial or by the time of the direct appeal that the girls’ testimony identifying marijuana was inadmissible.4 I therefore cannot join in the majority’s determination that the trial 4. | 2 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Long
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2 sentences2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent 2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent | 2 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Campbell
green
2 sentences2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent 2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent | 2 | 2001–2001 |
State v. Tudor
green
2 sentences2023This contemporaneous- objection rule is a principle of “fair administration of justice” and relates to “the true relation between court and counsel which enjoins upon counsel the duty to exercise 9 OHIO FIRST DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS diligence and to aid the court, [] not by silence to mislead the court into the commission of error.” State v. Tudor, 154 Ohio St. 249, 257-258 , 95 N.E.2d 385 (1950). 2023This contemporaneous- objection rule is a principle of “fair administration of justice” and relates to “the true relation between court and counsel which enjoins upon counsel the duty to exercise 9 OHIO FIRST DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS diligence and to aid the court, [] not by silence to mislead the court into the commission of error.” State v. Tudor, 154 Ohio St. 249, 257-258 , 95 N.E.2d 385 (1950). | 1 | 2023–2023 |
Falah v. Falah
green
1 sentence2022Id., quoting In re M.B., 9th Dist. | 1 | 2022–2022 |
State v. Brown
green
1 sentence2020Id. at 31-34 (citing People v. Sprinkle, 27 Ill.2d 398, 401 (1963), and holding that the contemporaneous-objection rule "has limited application when the error is that the trial judge has ceased to be impartial" because a "judge who has become partisan cannot be expected to correct the error.") {¶ 15} The state responds that West cannot rely on Tumey, because in that case "the defendant had been tried and convicted by the mayor of the village, who had a pecuniary interest in convicting the defendant." (Appellee's Brief at 4.) We agree that the situation at issue in Tumey was very unusual—the c | 1 | 2020–2020 |
Acierno Ex Rel. Acierno v. Garyfallou
green
1 sentence2017And to the extent that Grinnan’s argument implies a nexus between other preserved errors and this 40 unpreserved error, “[t]he doctrine of cumulative error, although applied regularly in criminal appeals, has not been extended to civil cases.” Acierno By & Through Acierno v. Garyfallou, 2016 COA 91, ¶ 66 . ¶ 80 For all of these reasons, we decline to take up the judicially noticed personal experience issue. | 1 | 2017–2017 |
State v. Brown
green
2 sentences2002However, such a substitution permitted without notice to counsel and without any additional instruction to the jury to begin deliberations anew is error. {¶ 27} This court, in State v. Brown (1995), 108 Ohio App.3d 489 , 671 N.E.2d 280 , cited to State v. Miley (1991), 77 Ohio App.3d 786 , 603 N.E.2d 1070 , headnote 3, which states, substitution of alternate for regular juror after jury has retired to consider its verdict is not per se plain error, rather, reversal is required only where there is some showing of prejudice. {¶ 28} In State v. Murphy , 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 2001-Ohio-112 , 747 N.E 2002However, such a substitution permitted without notice to counsel and without any additional instruction to the jury to begin deliberations anew is error. {¶ 27} This court, in State v. Brown (1995), 108 Ohio App.3d 489 , 671 N.E.2d 280 , cited to State v. Miley (1991), 77 Ohio App.3d 786 , 603 N.E.2d 1070 , headnote 3, which states, substitution of alternate for regular juror after jury has retired to consider its verdict is not per se plain error, rather, reversal is required only where there is some showing of prejudice. {¶ 28} In State v. Murphy , 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 2001-Ohio-112 , 747 N.E | 1 | 2002–2002 |
State v. Miley
green
2 sentences2002However, such a substitution permitted without notice to counsel and without any additional instruction to the jury to begin deliberations anew is error. {¶ 27} This court, in State v. Brown (1995), 108 Ohio App.3d 489 , 671 N.E.2d 280 , cited to State v. Miley (1991), 77 Ohio App.3d 786 , 603 N.E.2d 1070 , headnote 3, which states, substitution of alternate for regular juror after jury has retired to consider its verdict is not per se plain error, rather, reversal is required only where there is some showing of prejudice. {¶ 28} In State v. Murphy , 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 2001-Ohio-112 , 747 N.E 2002However, such a substitution permitted without notice to counsel and without any additional instruction to the jury to begin deliberations anew is error. {¶ 27} This court, in State v. Brown (1995), 108 Ohio App.3d 489 , 671 N.E.2d 280 , cited to State v. Miley (1991), 77 Ohio App.3d 786 , 603 N.E.2d 1070 , headnote 3, which states, substitution of alternate for regular juror after jury has retired to consider its verdict is not per se plain error, rather, reversal is required only where there is some showing of prejudice. {¶ 28} In State v. Murphy , 91 Ohio St.3d 516 , 2001-Ohio-112 , 747 N.E | 1 | 2002–2002 |
State v. Greer
green
1 sentence2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Layman v. Binns
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1 sentence2001The waiver rule operates even in capital cases, for “capital defendants are not entitled to special treatment regarding evidentiary or procedural rules.” State v. Greer (1988), 39 Ohio St.3d 236, 244 , 530 N.E.2d 382, 394 ; see, also, State v. Spisak (1988), 36 Ohio St.3d 80, 83 , 521 N.E.2d 800, 803 ; State v. Campbell (1994), 69 Ohio St.3d 38, 40-41 , 630 N.E.2d 339, 344 . {¶ 102} The Rules of Criminal Procedure make but one exception to the contemporaneous-objection requirement: “Plain errors or defects affecting substantial rights may be noticed although they were not brought to the attent | 1 | 2001–2001 |
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.