18 Utah opinions name it 2 courts 1994–2024 4 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Utah courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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Madsen v. Borthickgreen2 sentences2000Unlike the doctrine of claim preclusion, issue preclusion does not require that "both cases . involve the same parties or their privies." Madsen, 769 P.2d 245, 247 (Utah 1988) (emphasis added). 2000See Madsen, 769 P.2d at 247 . 21 In reference to the second element of the test outlined above, Neways argued before the court of appeals that Maecris's claims for fraudulent transfer, successor Hability, and alter ego "should have been raised" in Maeris I because Macris knew of its claims against Neways before the trial in Macris I began and should therefore have amended its complaint in that action and asserted the claims now pursued in the present action. 122 The court of appeals rejected Neways's argument and held that the doctrine of claim preclusion did not require Ma-cris to litigate it | 2 | 2 |
Oman v. Davis School Districtgreen2 sentences2017See Penrod v. Nu Creation Creme, Inc., 669 P.2d 873, 875 (Utah 1983) (“Since a negligent misrepresentation claim [based in state law] was asserted in the prior federal court action, the disposi-tive issue in this case is whether that claim is now barred by the doctrine of claim preclusion, i.e., whether plaintiffs’ second claim for relief was either litigated or could have been litigated in the federal court action.”); see also Oman, 2008 UT 70, ¶ 27 , 194 P.3d 956 (“[W]e conclude that the [state law wrongful termination] issue was resolved by the federal district court and that the state dist 2017See Penrod v. Nu Creation Creme, Inc., 669 P.2d 873, 875 (Utah 1983) (“Since a negligent misrepresentation claim [based in state law] was asserted in the prior federal court action, the disposi-tive issue in this case is whether that claim is now barred by the doctrine of claim preclusion, i.e., whether plaintiffs’ second claim for relief was either litigated or could have been litigated in the federal court action.”); see also Oman, 2008 UT 70, ¶ 27 , 194 P.3d 956 (“[W]e conclude that the [state law wrongful termination] issue was resolved by the federal district court and that the state dist | 2 | 2 |
Penrod v. Nu Creation Creme, Inc.green2 sentences2017See Penrod v. Nu Creation Creme, Inc., 669 P.2d 873, 875 (Utah 1983) (“Since a negligent misrepresentation claim [based in state law] was asserted in the prior federal court action, the dispositive issue in this case is whether that claim is now barred by the doctrine of claim preclusion, i.e., whether plaintiffs’ second claim for relief was either litigated or could have been litigated in the federal court action.”); see also Oman, 2008 UT 70, ¶ 27 (“[W]e conclude that the [state law wrongful termination] issue was resolved by the federal district court and that the state district court was b 2017See Penrod v. Nu Creation Creme, Inc., 669 P.2d 873, 875 (Utah 1983) (“Since a negligent misrepresentation claim [based in state law] was asserted in the prior federal court action, the disposi-tive issue in this case is whether that claim is now barred by the doctrine of claim preclusion, i.e., whether plaintiffs’ second claim for relief was either litigated or could have been litigated in the federal court action.”); see also Oman, 2008 UT 70, ¶ 27 , 194 P.3d 956 (“[W]e conclude that the [state law wrongful termination] issue was resolved by the federal district court and that the state dist | 2 | 2 |
Mel Trimble Real Estate v. Monte Vista Ranch, Inc.green2 sentences1994A. RES JUDICATA GENERALLY The doctrine of res judicata "is based on the premise that the proper administration of justice is best served by limiting parties to one fair trial of an issue or cause." Trimble Real Estate v. Monte Vista Ranch, Inc., 758 P.2d 451, 453 (Utah App.1988) (citation omitted). 1994A. RES JUDICATA GENERALLY The doctrine of res judicata “is based on the premise that the proper administration of justice is best served by limiting parties to one fair trial of an issue or cause.” Trimble Real Estate v. Monte Vista Ranch, Inc., 758 P.2d 451, 453 (Utah App.1988) (citation omitted). | 2 | 2 |
MacK v. Utah State Department of Commercegreen2 sentences2023Stashia was not required to present her claim for unpaid child support in the modification proceeding. ¶44 Even if a claim was not presented or settled in an initial action, the second requirement of the claim preclusion test can be met by showing that the subsequently raised claim “could and should have been raised in the first action.” Mack v. Utah State Dep’t of Com., 2009 UT 47, ¶ 29 , 221 P.3d 194 (cleaned up). 2023Stashia was not required to present her claim for unpaid child support in the modification proceeding. ¶44 Even if a claim was not presented or settled in an initial action, the second requirement of the claim preclusion test can be met by showing that the subsequently raised claim “could and should have been raised in the first action.” Mack v. Utah State Dep’t of Com., 2009 UT 47, ¶ 29 , 221 P.3d 194 (cleaned up). | 1 | 3 |
MacRis & Associates, Inc. v. Neways, Inc.green2 sentences2024On that basis, Clear Creek asserted that any preclusion of an initially unpled counterclaim subsequently raised in separate litigation must be through application of the doctrine of claim preclusion, which prohibits the relitigation of claims that could have been brought in a previous action only when “the first suit . . . resulted in a final judgment on the merits.” Macris & Assocs. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 20220565 -CA 4 2024 UT App 22 Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline 93, ¶ 20, 16 P.3d 1214 (cleaned up). 2011Thus, we will address only Mr. Allen's arguments that claim preclusion is inapplicable to small claims judgments. [3] 725 P.2d 1372 (Utah 1986) (per curiam). [4] City of Grantsville v. Redevelopment Agency, 2010 UT 38, ¶ 8 , 233 P.3d 461 (internal quotation marks omitted). [5] Mack v. Utah State Dep't of Commerce, 2009 UT 47, ¶ 26 , 221 P.3d 194 (quoting Macris & Assocs., Inc. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 93, ¶ 17 , 16 P.3d 1214 ). [6] See id. ¶ 29; see also 18 CHARLES ALAN WRIGHT, ARTHUR R. | 1 | 2 |
Norman A. Koglin Associates v. Valenz Oro, Inc.green1 sentence2023See Airfreight Express Ltd. v. Evergreen Air Center, Inc., 158 P.3d 232, 237 (Ariz. Ct. App. 2007) (holding that “affirmative defenses are not claims” for purposes of “[t]he doctrine of claim preclusion”); cf. Norman A. Koglin Assocs. v. Valenz Oro, Inc., 680 N.E.2d 283, 288 (Ill. 1997) (“A counterclaim differs from an . . . affirmative defense. | 1 | 1 |
Airfreight Express Ltd. v. Evergreen Air Center, Inc.green1 sentence2023See Airfreight Express Ltd. v. Evergreen Air Center, Inc., 158 P.3d 232, 237 (Ariz. Ct. App. 2007) (holding that “affirmative defenses are not claims” for purposes of “[t]he doctrine of claim preclusion”); cf. Norman A. Koglin Assocs. v. Valenz Oro, Inc., 680 N.E.2d 283, 288 (Ill. 1997) (“A counterclaim differs from an . . . affirmative defense. | 1 | 1 |
In re Adoption of E.M.F...green1 sentence2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). | 1 | 1 |
Serrato v. Utah Transit Authoritygreen1 sentence2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). | 1 | 1 |
IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K MANAGEMENT, INC.green2 sentences2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). 2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). | 1 | 1 |
Gann v. William Timblin Transit, Inc.green1 sentence2019See Madsen v. Borthick, 769 P.2d 245, 247 (Utah 1988) (explaining that the doctrine of claim preclusion bars a cause of action if it “could and should have been raised” in an earlier action that resulted in a final judgment on the merits); see also Gann v. William Timblin Transit, Inc., 522 F. Supp. 2d 1021, 1028 (N.D. | 1 | 1 |
Coleman Ex Rel. Schefski v. Stevensgreen1 sentence2014See Macris & Assocs., 2000 UT 98 , 1 20, 16 P.38d 1214. 114 Bishop also challenges the district court's awards of attorney fees to Inwest and Boyce, arguing that the district court's summary judgment and dismissal rulings were erroneous and therefore cannot support those fee awards. | 1 | 1 |
Hien an Dao v. Alameida, Director, California Department of Correctionsgreen1 sentence2005See id. at 502 . | 1 | 1 |
MacRis & Associates, Inc. v. Neways, Inc.green1 sentence2000See Madsen, 769 P.2d at 247 . 21 In reference to the second element of the test outlined above, Neways argued before the court of appeals that Maecris's claims for fraudulent transfer, successor Hability, and alter ego "should have been raised" in Maeris I because Macris knew of its claims against Neways before the trial in Macris I began and should therefore have amended its complaint in that action and asserted the claims now pursued in the present action. 122 The court of appeals rejected Neways's argument and held that the doctrine of claim preclusion did not require Ma-cris to litigate it | 1 | 1 |
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Brigham Young University v. Tremco Consultants, Inc.
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2 sentences2009Specifically, the State argues that the doctrine of claim preclusion bars Mr. Austin's motion to declare his rights under Utah Code section 78-30-4.14 (Supp.2007). ¶ 32 Res judicata "refer[s] to the overall doctrine of the preclusive effects to be given to judgments," and includes "two branches: claim preclusion and issue preclusion." Brigham Young Univ. v. Tremco Consultants, Inc., 2005 UT 19, ¶ 25 , 110 P.3d *1179 678 (internal quotation marks omitted). 2009Specifically, the State argues that the doctrine of claim preclusion bars Mr. Austin's motion to declare his rights under Utah Code section 78-80-4.14 (Supp.2007). 1382 Res judicata "refer[s]l to the overall doctrine of the preclusive effects to be given to judgments," and includes "two branches: claim preclusion and issue preclusion." Brigham Young Univ. v. Tremco Consultants, Inc., 2005 UT 19, ¶ 25 , 110 P.3d 678 (internal quotation marks omitted). | 2 | 2009–2009 |
Wilkes v. Wyoming Department of Employment Division of Labor Standards
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1 sentence2024Div. of Labor Standards, 314 F.3d 501 (10th Cir. 2002)). | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Tucker v. State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co.
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2 sentences2024Ins., 2002 UT 54 , ¶ 7 n.2, 53 P.3d 947 (“Interpretations of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are persuasive where the Utah Rules of Civil Procedure are substantially similar to the federal rules.” (cleaned up)). 20220565-CA 9 2024 UT App 22 Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline ¶20 Moreover, an interpretation of rule 13(a) that grounds it in the principles of claim preclusion best serves the purpose of the rule, which is one of judicial economy that is largely similar to the purposes behind the doctrine of claim preclusion, compare Raile Family Trust ex rel. 2024Ins., 2002 UT 54 , ¶ 7 n.2, 53 P.3d 947 (“Interpretations of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are persuasive where the Utah Rules of Civil Procedure are substantially similar to the federal rules.” (cleaned up)). 20220565-CA 9 2024 UT App 22 Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline ¶20 Moreover, an interpretation of rule 13(a) that grounds it in the principles of claim preclusion best serves the purpose of the rule, which is one of judicial economy that is largely similar to the purposes behind the doctrine of claim preclusion, compare Raile Family Trust ex rel. | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Nebeker v. Utah State Tax Commission
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2 sentences2024Claim Preclusion ¶26 Because I part ways with my colleagues on their alternative ground to affirm the dismissal of LeBaron’s FDCPA claim, I must consider her challenge to the district court’s conclusion that her claim is precluded. 12 As explained below, I conclude that the court erred in applying the claim preclusion doctrine, and I would reverse its summary judgment decision dismissing that claim. ¶27 The claim preclusion doctrine is “premised on the principle that a controversy should be adjudicated only once.” Nebeker v. Utah State Tax Comm’n, 2001 UT 74, ¶ 23 , 34 P.3d 180 (quotation simp 2024Claim Preclusion ¶26 Because I part ways with my colleagues on their alternative ground to affirm the dismissal of LeBaron’s FDCPA claim, I must consider her challenge to the district court’s conclusion that her claim is precluded. 12 As explained below, I conclude that the court erred in applying the claim preclusion doctrine, and I would reverse its summary judgment decision dismissing that claim. ¶27 The claim preclusion doctrine is “premised on the principle that a controversy should be adjudicated only once.” Nebeker v. Utah State Tax Comm’n, 2001 UT 74, ¶ 23 , 34 P.3d 180 (quotation simp | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline
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2 sentences2024On that basis, Clear Creek asserted that any preclusion of an initially unpled counterclaim subsequently raised in separate litigation must be through application of the doctrine of claim preclusion, which prohibits the relitigation of claims that could have been brought in a previous action only when “the first suit . . . resulted in a final judgment on the merits.” Macris & Assocs. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 20220565 -CA 4 2024 UT App 22 Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline 93, ¶ 20, 16 P.3d 1214 (cleaned up). 2024Ins., 2002 UT 54 , ¶ 7 n.2, 53 P.3d 947 (“Interpretations of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are persuasive where the Utah Rules of Civil Procedure are substantially similar to the federal rules.” (cleaned up)). 20220565-CA 9 2024 UT App 22 Clear Creek v. Peterson Pipeline ¶20 Moreover, an interpretation of rule 13(a) that grounds it in the principles of claim preclusion best serves the purpose of the rule, which is one of judicial economy that is largely similar to the purposes behind the doctrine of claim preclusion, compare Raile Family Trust ex rel. | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Lebaron v. Doctors and Merchants Credit
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1 sentence2024But because the district court applied a traditional claim preclusion analysis without reference to rule 13(a) and because I believe applying rule 13(a) to LeBaron’s claim would produce the same result, I analyze LeBaron’s claim under the claim preclusion doctrine. 20210518-CA 15 2024 UT App 42 LeBaron v. Doctors misapplied Utah’s claim preclusion test by asking only whether the subsequent claim arose out of the first action and by not accounting for the relevant factors under the transactional test. ¶30 In its claim against LeBaron, Doctors alleged that LeBaron contracted for goods or service | 1 | 2024–2024 |
Berkshires, L.L.C. v. Sykes
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2 sentences2023A counterclaim is used when seeking affirmative relief, while an . . . affirmative defense seeks to defeat a plaintiff’s claim.”). ¶34 This is consistent with our analysis in Berkshires, LLC v. Sykes, 2005 UT App 536 , 127 P.3d 1243 . 2023A counterclaim is used when seeking affirmative relief, while an . . . affirmative defense seeks to defeat a plaintiff’s claim.”). ¶34 This is consistent with our analysis in Berkshires, LLC v. Sykes, 2005 UT App 536 , 127 P.3d 1243 . | 1 | 2023–2023 |
Haskell v. Wakefield and Associates
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2 sentences2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). 2022Inc., 2021 UT App 123, ¶ 13 , 500 P.3d 950 (emphasis added) (cleaned up); see also IHC Health Services, Inc. v. D & K Mgmt., Inc., 2008 UT 73 , ¶ 26 n.20, 196 P.3d 588 (explaining that res judicata, of which claim preclusion is a branch, “is more appropriately used to (continued…) 20200490-CA 9 2022 UT App 43 In re adoption of E.M.F. ¶ 11, 13 P.3d 616 (indicating that deadlines for notices of appeal “must be adhered to in order to prevent cases from continually lingering and to ensure finality in the system”). | 1 | 2022–2022 |
Pioneer Home v. TaxHawk
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2 sentences2019Specifically, Pioneer asserts that the district court erred by barring Pioneer, under the doctrine of claim preclusion, 20180159-CA 7 2019 UT App 213 Pioneer Home v. TaxHawk from asserting boundary by acquiescence as a defense. 2019Conceding that, as a general rule, claims barred by claim preclusion cannot later be raised in the same case as affirmative defenses, Pioneer nevertheless asserts that there is a substantive difference in a plaintiff’s assertion of boundary by acquiescence 20180159-CA 25 2019 UT App 213 Pioneer Home v. TaxHawk to establish its own land ownership and a defendant’s attempt merely to show that the plaintiff “does not own the land.” ¶55 We have no occasion to reach the merits of Pioneer’s challenge on this point. | 1 | 2019–2019 |
Bahr v. Imus
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2 sentences2019An “appellate court reviews a summary judgment for correctness, giving no deference to the [district] court’s decision.” Bahr v. Imus, 2011 UT 19, ¶ 15 , 250 P.3d 56 . ¶19 Pioneer next contends that the district court erred in dismissing its Second Suit under the doctrine of claim preclusion. 2019An “appellate court reviews a summary judgment for correctness, giving no deference to the [district] court’s decision.” Bahr v. Imus, 2011 UT 19, ¶ 15 , 250 P.3d 56 . ¶19 Pioneer next contends that the district court erred in dismissing its Second Suit under the doctrine of claim preclusion. | 1 | 2019–2019 |
Cheek v. Iron County
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2 sentences2019Cheek had not challenged the “first two prongs of the claim-preclusion test,” which are that “both cases 2 Cite as: 2019 UT 50 Opinion of the Court must involve the same parties or their privies,” and “the claim that is alleged to be barred must have been presented in the first suit or be one that could and should have been raised in the first action.” Id. ¶¶ 16–17 (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted). ¶7 The court of appeals then addressed Cheek’s sole assertion that, under the third prong of the res judicata analysis, the order dismissing the claims against Garrett was not a 2019Cheek had not challenged the “first two prongs of the claim-preclusion test,” which are that “both cases 2 Cite as: 2019 UT 50 Opinion of the Court must involve the same parties or their privies,” and “the claim that is alleged to be barred must have been presented in the first suit or be one that could and should have been raised in the first action.” Id. ¶¶ 16–17 (citation omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted). ¶7 The court of appeals then addressed Cheek’s sole assertion that, under the third prong of the res judicata analysis, the order dismissing the claims against Garrett was not a | 1 | 2019–2019 |
City of Grantsville v. Redevelopment Agency of Tooele City
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2 sentences2011Thus, we will address only Mr. Allen's arguments that claim preclusion is inapplicable to small claims judgments. [3] 725 P.2d 1372 (Utah 1986) (per curiam). [4] City of Grantsville v. Redevelopment Agency, 2010 UT 38, ¶ 8 , 233 P.3d 461 (internal quotation marks omitted). [5] Mack v. Utah State Dep't of Commerce, 2009 UT 47, ¶ 26 , 221 P.3d 194 (quoting Macris & Assocs., Inc. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 93, ¶ 17 , 16 P.3d 1214 ). [6] See id. ¶ 29; see also 18 CHARLES ALAN WRIGHT, ARTHUR R. 2011Thus, we will address only Mr. Allen's arguments that claim preclusion is inapplicable to small claims judgments. [3] 725 P.2d 1372 (Utah 1986) (per curiam). [4] City of Grantsville v. Redevelopment Agency, 2010 UT 38, ¶ 8 , 233 P.3d 461 (internal quotation marks omitted). [5] Mack v. Utah State Dep't of Commerce, 2009 UT 47, ¶ 26 , 221 P.3d 194 (quoting Macris & Assocs., Inc. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 93, ¶ 17 , 16 P.3d 1214 ). [6] See id. ¶ 29; see also 18 CHARLES ALAN WRIGHT, ARTHUR R. | 1 | 2011–2011 |
Dennis v. Vasquez
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2 sentences2011NOTES [1] 2003 UT App 168, ¶¶ 5-7 , 72 P.3d 135 . [2] Mr. Allen does not challenge the district court's conclusion that his personal injury claim met the claim preclusion test that is applied in other contexts. 2011NOTES [1] 2003 UT App 168, ¶¶ 5-7 , 72 P.3d 135 . [2] Mr. Allen does not challenge the district court's conclusion that his personal injury claim met the claim preclusion test that is applied in other contexts. | 1 | 2011–2011 |
Faux v. Mickelsen
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2 sentences2011Thus, we will address only Mr. Allen's arguments that claim preclusion is inapplicable to small claims judgments. [3] 725 P.2d 1372 (Utah 1986) (per curiam). [4] City of Grantsville v. Redevelopment Agency, 2010 UT 38, ¶ 8 , 233 P.3d 461 (internal quotation marks omitted). [5] Mack v. Utah State Dep't of Commerce, 2009 UT 47, ¶ 26 , 221 P.3d 194 (quoting Macris & Assocs., Inc. v. Neways, Inc., 2000 UT 93, ¶ 17 , 16 P.3d 1214 ). [6] See id. ¶ 29; see also 18 CHARLES ALAN WRIGHT, ARTHUR R. 2011Thus, we will address only Mr. Allen's arguments that claim preclusion is inapplicable to small claims judgments. . 725 P.2d 1372 (Utah 1986) (per curiam). . | 1 | 2011–2011 |
Swainston v. Intermountain Health Care, Inc.
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1 sentence2000Rather, issue preclusion applies even if only "the party against whom the [doctrine] is asserted [was] a party or in privity with a party to the prior adjudication." Swainston, 766 P.2d at 1061 ; see also Wilde v. Mid-Century Ins. | 1 | 2000–2000 |
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.