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126 Maryland opinions name it 2 courts 1880–2026 14 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Maryland courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
| Case | Followed | Cited |
|---|---|---|
State v. Daughtongreen2 sentences2020Plain error is “error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial.” State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206, 211 , 582 A.2d 521, 523 (1990). 2020Plain error is “error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial.” State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206, 211 , 582 A.2d 521, 523 (1990). | 10 | 22 |
State v. Hutchinsongreen2 sentences2020Plain error review is reserved for those errors that are “compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.” State v. Hutchinson, 287 Md. 198, 203 , 411 A.2d 1035, 1038 (1980). 2020Plain error review is reserved for those errors that are “compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.” State v. Hutchinson, 287 Md. 198, 203 , 411 A.2d 1035, 1038 (1980). | 9 | 24 |
Richmond v. Stategreen2 sentences2017“Plain error is ‘error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair trial.’ ” Richmond v. State, 330 Md. 223, 236 , 623 A.2d 630 (1993) (quoting State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206, 211 , 582 A.2d 521 (1990)). 2017“Plain error is ‘error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair trial.’ ” Richmond v. State, 330 Md. 223, 236 , 623 A.2d 630 (1993) (quoting State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206, 211 , 582 A.2d 521 (1990)). | 9 | 14 |
Morris v. Stategreen2 sentences2023Our chagrin at the increasingly casual invocation of the plain error doctrine, however, compels us to repeat our stern admonition in Morris v. State, 153 Md. 2023Our chagrin at the increasingly casual invocation of the plain error doctrine, however, compels us to repeat our stern admonition in Morris v. State, 153 Md. | 4 | 14 |
Newton v. Stategreen2 sentences2025Plain error review is “‘reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional[,] or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.’” Id. (quoting Robinson v. State, 410 Md. 91, 111 (2009)). 2023The Court also opined that Mr. Clark’s Sixth Amendment claim appeared meritorious, but that the proper way to raise it would be a post-conviction claim of ineffective assistance of counsel. 3 As we stated in Newton v. State: Plain error review is “reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.” Before we can exercise our discretion to find plain error, four conditions must be met: (1) “there must be an error or defect—some sort of ‘deviation from a legal rule’—that has not been intentionally relinquished or aban | 4 | 8 |
Rubin v. Stategreen2 sentences2012Plain error “review is reserved for those errors that are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of [a] fair trial.’ ” Robinson v. State, 410 Md. 91, 111 , 976 A.2d 1072 (2009) (quoting Rubin v. State, 325 Md. 552, 588 , 602 A.2d 677 (1992)). 2012Plain error “review is reserved for those errors that are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of [a] fair trial.’ ” Robinson v. State, 410 Md. 91, 111 , 976 A.2d 1072 (2009) (quoting Rubin v. State, 325 Md. 552, 588 , 602 A.2d 677 (1992)). | 4 | 8 |
State v. Richgreen2 sentences2023The State counters that Turenne’s claims fail to meet the four prongs of the plain- error test articulated in State v. Rich, 415 Md. 567, 578 (2010). 2023The State counters that Turenne’s claims fail to meet the four prongs of the plain- error test articulated in State v. Rich, 415 Md. 567, 578 (2010). | 4 | 5 |
Savoy v. Stategreen2 sentences2018Plain error review is reserved for errors that are "compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial." Savoy , 420 Md. at 243 , 22 A.3d 845 (2011) (quoting *580 State v. Hutchinson , 287 Md. 198 , 203, 411 A.2d 1035 (1980) ). 2018Plain error review is reserved for errors that are "compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial." Savoy , 420 Md. at 243 , 22 A.3d 845 (2011) (quoting *580 State v. Hutchinson , 287 Md. 198 , 203, 411 A.2d 1035 (1980) ). | 3 | 6 |
United States v. Olanogreen2 sentences2017But in a footnote placed immediately following the bolded text above, we qualified our approval as follows: Since the Supreme Court decision in United States v. Olano, 507 U.S. 725 , 113 S.Ct. 1770 , 123 L.Ed.2d 508 (1993), some jurisdictions have modified this view on the issue, particularly when there was no objection below and the threshold issue on appeal is whether the issue is preserved for appellate review, and then the matter is considered under the plain error doctrine. 2017But in a footnote placed immediately following the bolded text above, we qualified our approval as follows: Since the Supreme Court decision in United States v. Olano, 507 U.S. 725 , 113 S.Ct. 1770 , 123 L.Ed.2d 508 (1993), some jurisdictions have modified this view on the issue, particularly when there was no objection below and the threshold issue on appeal is whether the issue is preserved for appellate review, and then the matter is considered under the plain error doctrine. | 3 | 5 |
Abeokuto v. Stategreen2 sentences2011Further, an appellate court “will review the unpreserved claim only where the unobjected to error can be characterized as compelling, extraordinary, exceptional, or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial by applying the plain error standard.” Abeokuto v. State, 391 Md. 289, 327 , 893 A.2d 1018 (2006) (citations omitted); accord James, 191 Md.App. at 246-47 , 991 A.2d 122 . 2011Further, an appellate court “will review the unpreserved claim only where the unobjected to error can be characterized as compelling, extraordinary, exceptional, or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial by applying the plain error standard.” Abeokuto v. State, 391 Md. 289, 327 , 893 A.2d 1018 (2006) (citations omitted); accord James, 191 Md.App. at 246-47 , 991 A.2d 122 . | 3 | 5 |
Robinson v. Stategreen2 sentences2025Plain error review is “‘reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional[,] or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.’” Id. (quoting Robinson v. State, 410 Md. 91, 111 (2009)). 2017Plain error review is “reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.” Robinson v. State, 410 Md. 91, 111 , 976 A.2d 1072 (2009) (citation, alteration, and internal quotation marks omitted). | 3 | 4 |
Martin v. United Statesgreen2 sentences2023Martin, 991 A.2d at 794 (internal quotation marks omitted). 2023Martin, 991 A.2d at 794 (internal quotation marks omitted). | 3 | 3 |
| United States v. Sabettagreen | 3 | 3 |
Martin v. Stategreen2 sentences2016This Court has noted: “The plain error hurdle, ‘high in all events, nowhere looms larger than in the context of alleged instructional errors.’ ” Peterson v. State, 196 Md.App. 563, 589 , 10 A.3d 838 (2010) (quoting Martin v. State, 165 Md.App. 189, 198 , 885 A.2d 339 (2005)). 2016This Court has noted: “The plain error hurdle, ‘high in all events, nowhere looms larger than in the context of alleged instructional errors.’ ” Peterson v. State, 196 Md.App. 563, 589 , 10 A.3d 838 (2010) (quoting Martin v. State, 165 Md.App. 189, 198 , 885 A.2d 339 (2005)). | 2 | 5 |
Rowe v. Stategreen2 sentences2015Rowe appealed and we reversed, concluding that, “[e]ven though a question as to the failure of the trial court to advise the jury with respect to not returning a verdict on the indictment in the event of a finding of insane now was not included in the assignment of errors, we think we must, under the unusual circumstances of this case, take cognizance of the plain error sua sponte.” 11 Id. at 302 , 199 A.2d at 789 . 2015Rowe appealed and we reversed, concluding that, “[e]ven though a question as to the failure of the trial court to advise the jury with respect to not returning a verdict on the indictment in the event of a finding of insane now was not included in the assignment of errors, we think we must, under the unusual circumstances of this case, take cognizance of the plain error sua sponte.” 11 Id. at 302 , 199 A.2d at 789 . | 2 | 5 |
| Winston, Mayhew & Cannon v. Stategreen | 2 | 2 |
| Marquet Bryant and Robert B. Hagood v. United Statesgreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. Reffgreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. Roachgreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. Karlos A. Clintongreen | 2 | 2 |
| Price v. Stategreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. Morangreen | 2 | 2 |
| Bruce v. Stategreen | 2 | 2 |
| Berman v. Warden of Maryland Penitentiarygreen | 2 | 2 |
Diggs and Ramsey v. Stategreen2 sentences2026See Mainor v. State, 475 Md. 487, 518 (2021); see also Diggs v. State, 409 Md. 260, 286 (2009) (observing that a claim of judicial bias and impartiality, in cases involving a judge questioning witnesses, may be reviewed on appeal under a plain error rationale). 2014Plain error review is a rarely used and tightly circumscribed method by which appellate courts can, at their discretion, address unpreserved errors by a trial court which “vitally affect[ ] a defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial.” Diggs v. State, 409 Md. 260, 286 , 973 A.2d 796 (2009) (quotation marks and citation omitted); see also Morris v. State, 153 Md.App. 480, 507 , 837 A.2d 248 (2003). | 1 | 8 |
Kelly v. Stategreen2 sentences2015Chaney v. State, 397 Md. 460, 468 , 918 A.2d 506 (2007); see also Kelly v. State, 195 Md.App. 403, 432 , 6 A.3d 396 (2010) (“[Ajppellate review under the plain error doctrine 1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.” (citations omitted)). 2015Chaney v. State, 397 Md. 460, 468 , 918 A.2d 506 (2007); see also Kelly v. State, 195 Md.App. 403, 432 , 6 A.3d 396 (2010) (“[Ajppellate review under the plain error doctrine 1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.” (citations omitted)). | 1 | 8 |
Hammersla v. Stategreen2 sentences2015Maryland courts have “characterized instances when an appellate court should take cognizance of unobjected to error as compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.” State v. Hutchinson, 287 Md. 198, 203 (1980). “[A]ppellate review under the plain error doctrine ‘1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.’” Hammersla v. State, 184 Md. 2015Maryland courts have "characterized instances when an appellate court should take cognizance of unobjected to error as compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.” State v. Hutchinson, 287 Md. 198, 203 , 411 A.2d 1035 (1980). “[A]ppellate review under the plain error doctrine '1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.’ ” Hammersla v. State, 184 Md.App. 295, 306 , 965 A.2d 912 (quoting Morris v. State, 153 Md.App. 480, 507 , 837 A.2d 248 (2003), cert. denied, 380 Md. 618 , 846 A.2d 402 (2004))), cert. den | 1 | 6 |
Austin v. Stategreen2 sentences1992In deciding whether to invoke the plain error rule, “[t]he only hard and fast rule is that there are no hard and fast rules.” Austin, 90 Md.App. at 19 , 600 A.2d 1142 . 1992In deciding whether to invoke the plain error rule, “[t]he only hard and fast rule is that there are no hard and fast rules.” Austin, 90 Md.App. at 19 , 600 A.2d 1142 . | 1 | 6 |
Franklin v. Stategreen2 sentences2005Although appellant acknowledges that he failed to object on the ground that the admission of the out-of-court statements violated appellant’s Sixth Amendment right to confrontation, he implores us to address his unpreserved claim pursuant to our discretion under the plain error doctrine because his “failure to object ... was based not on inadvertence, but on a reasonable belief that the trial court’s actions accorded with well-established law that fundamentally changed by the time of appeal.” In support of this argument, appellant cites Franklin v. State, 319 Md. 116 , 571 A.2d 1208 (1990), 13 2005Although appellant acknowledges that he failed to object on the ground that the admission of the out-of-court statements violated appellant’s Sixth Amendment right to confrontation, he implores us to address his unpreserved claim pursuant to our discretion under the plain error doctrine because his “failure to object ... was based not on inadvertence, but on a reasonable belief that the trial court’s actions accorded with well-established law that fundamentally changed by the time of appeal.” In support of this argument, appellant cites Franklin v. State, 319 Md. 116 , 571 A.2d 1208 (1990), 13 | 1 | 4 |
State v. Bradygreen2 sentences2019In each of Brady , 393 Md. at 509 , 903 A.2d at 874 , and Hutchinson , 287 Md. at 202 , 411 A.2d at 1037 , the issue was whether a trial court committed plain error in failing to correctly instruct the jury. 2019In each of Brady , 393 Md. at 509 , 903 A.2d at 874 , and Hutchinson , 287 Md. at 202 , 411 A.2d at 1037 , the issue was whether a trial court committed plain error in failing to correctly instruct the jury. | 1 | 3 |
Puckett v. United Statesgreen2 sentences2014The Supreme Court summarized the plain error review process in Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 135 , 129 S.Ct. 1423 , 173 L.Ed.2d 266 (2009): *525 [P]lain-error review involves four steps, or prongs. 2014The Supreme Court summarized the plain error review process in Puckett v. United States, 556 U.S. 129, 135 , 129 S.Ct. 1423 , 173 L.Ed.2d 266 (2009): *525 [P]lain-error review involves four steps, or prongs. | 1 | 3 |
Cirincione v. Stategreen2 sentences1999In the following cases, Maryland appellate courts declined to apply the plain error doctrine to erroneous jury instructions: Walker v. State, 343 Md. 629 , 684 A.2d 429 (1996); Ayers v. State, 335 Md. 602 , 645 A.2d 22 (1994); State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206 , 582 A.2d 521 (1990)(reversing Court of Special Appeals’ application of the plain error doctrine to the trial court's jury instructions); Hall v. State, 292 Md. 683 , 441 A.2d 708 (1982); Tichnell v. State, 287 Md. 695 , 415 A.2d 830 (1980); Dimery v. State, 274 Md. 661 , 338 A.2d 56 (1975), cert. denied, 423 U.S. 1074 , 96 S.Ct. 857 , 47 1999In the following cases, Maryland appellate courts declined to apply the plain error doctrine to erroneous jury instructions: Walker v. State, 343 Md. 629 , 684 A.2d 429 (1996); Ayers v. State, 335 Md. 602 , 645 A.2d 22 (1994); State v. Daughton, 321 Md. 206 , 582 A.2d 521 (1990)(reversing Court of Special Appeals’ application of the plain error doctrine to the trial court's jury instructions); Hall v. State, 292 Md. 683 , 441 A.2d 708 (1982); Tichnell v. State, 287 Md. 695 , 415 A.2d 830 (1980); Dimery v. State, 274 Md. 661 , 338 A.2d 56 (1975), cert. denied, 423 U.S. 1074 , 96 S.Ct. 857 , 47 | 1 | 3 |
| Martin v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Dempsey v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Hall v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Walker v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Williams v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Dimery v. Stategreen | 1 | 3 |
| Yates v. Stategreen | 1 | 2 |
| Johnson v. United Statesgreen | 1 | 2 |
| Case | Negative | Cited |
|---|---|---|
| Middleton v. Stateyellow | 1 | 2 |
| Case | Cited | Years |
|---|---|---|
Conyers v. State
green
2 sentences2018"Moreover, in the context of erroneous jury instructions, the plain error doctrine has been used sparingly." Conyers , 354 Md. at 171 , 729 A.2d at 931 . 2018"Moreover, in the context of erroneous jury instructions, the plain error doctrine has been used sparingly." Conyers , 354 Md. at 171 , 729 A.2d at 931 . | 5 | 2001–2018 |
Danna v. State
green
2 sentences2001(Emphasis added.) In Cook v. State, 118 Md.App. 404 , 702 A.2d 971 (1997), we discussed the plain error doctrine, stating: “Under Maryland Rule 4-325(e), we possess plenary discretion to notice plain error material to the rights of a defendant, even if the matter was not raised in the trial court.” Danna v. State, 91 Md.App. 443, 450 , 605 A.2d 150 , cert. denied, 327 Md. 627 , 612 A.2d 257 (1992). 2001(Emphasis added.) In Cook v. State, 118 Md.App. 404 , 702 A.2d 971 (1997), we discussed the plain error doctrine, stating: “Under Maryland Rule 4-325(e), we possess plenary discretion to notice plain error material to the rights of a defendant, even if the matter was not raised in the trial court.” Danna v. State, 91 Md.App. 443, 450 , 605 A.2d 150 , cert. denied, 327 Md. 627 , 612 A.2d 257 (1992). | 4 | 1996–2014 |
Wolfe v. State
green
2 sentences1980Maryland Rule 739 g. [ Id. at 455 .] These concepts have been implicitly or explicitly expressed or applied or expressed and applied in a host of cases in this Court and in the Court of Special Appeals. 1976See also, e.g., Rowe v. State, 234 Md. 295, 302 , 199 A. 2d 785 (1964); Wolfe v. State, 218 Md. 449, 455 , 146 A. 2d 856 (1958). | 4 | 1964–1980 |
Newton v. Maryland
green
2 sentences2023The Court also opined that Mr. Clark’s Sixth Amendment claim appeared meritorious, but that the proper way to raise it would be a post-conviction claim of ineffective assistance of counsel. 3 As we stated in Newton v. State: Plain error review is “reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.” Before we can exercise our discretion to find plain error, four conditions must be met: (1) “there must be an error or defect—some sort of ‘deviation from a legal rule’—that has not been intentionally relinquished or aban 2023The Court also opined that Mr. Clark’s Sixth Amendment claim appeared meritorious, but that the proper way to raise it would be a post-conviction claim of ineffective assistance of counsel. 3 As we stated in Newton v. State: Plain error review is “reserved for those errors that are compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant of a fair trial.” Before we can exercise our discretion to find plain error, four conditions must be met: (1) “there must be an error or defect—some sort of ‘deviation from a legal rule’—that has not been intentionally relinquished or aban | 3 | 2023–2023 |
Peterson v. State
green
2 sentences2016This Court has noted: “The plain error hurdle, ‘high in all events, nowhere looms larger than in the context of alleged instructional errors.’ ” Peterson v. State, 196 Md.App. 563, 589 , 10 A.3d 838 (2010) (quoting Martin v. State, 165 Md.App. 189, 198 , 885 A.2d 339 (2005)). 2016This Court has noted: “The plain error hurdle, ‘high in all events, nowhere looms larger than in the context of alleged instructional errors.’ ” Peterson v. State, 196 Md.App. 563, 589 , 10 A.3d 838 (2010) (quoting Martin v. State, 165 Md.App. 189, 198 , 885 A.2d 339 (2005)). | 3 | 2013–2016 |
Valdes v. United States
green
2 sentences2005The Court of Appeals has “defined ‘plain error’ in a jury instruction as ‘error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial’ and [we] have limited our review under the plain error doctrine to circumstances which are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.’ ” Miller v. State, 380 Md. 1, 29 , 843 A.2d 803 (2004) (quoting State v. Hutchinson, supra, 287 Md. at 203 , 411 A.2d 1035 ) (further citations omitted). “ ‘Maryland cases abound with instances where the plain error doctrine was advanced for a failure to instruc 2001An appellate court, on its own initiative or on the suggestion of a party, may ... take cognizance of any plain error in the instructions, material to the rights of the defendant, despite a failure to object”); Conyers v. State, 354 Md. 132, 171 , 729 A.2d 910 (explaining that “the plain error doctrine is used sparingly” and is invoked only in “situations that are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional, or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial’ ” (citation omitted)), cert. denied, 528 U.S. 910 , 120 S.Ct. 258 , 145 L.Ed.2d 216 (1999). | 3 | 2001–2016 |
State v. Lynn
green
2 sentences2005The Court of Appeals has “defined ‘plain error’ in a jury instruction as ‘error which vitally affects a defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial’ and [we] have limited our review under the plain error doctrine to circumstances which are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial.’ ” Miller v. State, 380 Md. 1, 29 , 843 A.2d 803 (2004) (quoting State v. Hutchinson, supra, 287 Md. at 203 , 411 A.2d 1035 ) (further citations omitted). “ ‘Maryland cases abound with instances where the plain error doctrine was advanced for a failure to instruc 2001An appellate court, on its own initiative or on the suggestion of a party, may ... take cognizance of any plain error in the instructions, material to the rights of the defendant, despite a failure to object”); Conyers v. State, 354 Md. 132, 171 , 729 A.2d 910 (explaining that “the plain error doctrine is used sparingly” and is invoked only in “situations that are ‘compelling, extraordinary, exceptional, or fundamental to assure the defendant a fair trial’ ” (citation omitted)), cert. denied, 528 U.S. 910 , 120 S.Ct. 258 , 145 L.Ed.2d 216 (1999). | 3 | 2001–2016 |
Chaney v. State
green
2 sentences2015Chaney v. State, 397 Md. 460, 468 , 918 A.2d 506 (2007); see also Kelly v. State, 195 Md.App. 403, 432 , 6 A.3d 396 (2010) (“[Ajppellate review under the plain error doctrine 1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.” (citations omitted)). 2015Chaney v. State, 397 Md. 460, 468 , 918 A.2d 506 (2007); see also Kelly v. State, 195 Md.App. 403, 432 , 6 A.3d 396 (2010) (“[Ajppellate review under the plain error doctrine 1) always has been, 2) still is, and 3) will continue to be a rare, rare phenomenon.” (citations omitted)). | 3 | 2013–2015 |
| Keefe v. United States green | 3 | 2011–2015 |
| Young-Bey v. Rowley green | 3 | 2010–2015 |
| PLETTA v. Spears green | 3 | 2010–2015 |
| Garrett v. State neutral | 3 | 2007–2011 |
| Lopez v. United States green | 2 | 2022–2022 |
| Stokes v. State green | 2 | 2008–2017 |
| Yates v. State green | 2 | 2012–2015 |
| Price v. State. green | 2 | 2011–2015 |
| Hicks v. State green | 2 | 2011–2013 |
| Miller v. State green | 2 | 2005–2013 |
| Sine v. State green | 2 | 1999–2012 |
| Vieau v. Metrish green | 2 | 2011–2011 |
| Brown v. State green | 2 | 2010–2011 |
| RIDDIX v. Deutsch green | 2 | 2011–2011 |
| Turner v. State green | 2 | 2010–2011 |
| United States v. Cotton green | 2 | 2005–2008 |
| Prokopis v. State green | 2 | 1999–2008 |
| Stockton v. State green | 2 | 1999–2005 |
| State v. Evans green | 2 | 1980–1999 |
| Brown v. State green | 2 | 1974–1974 |
| State v. Hawkins green | 1 | 2020–2020 |
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.