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borrowed servant doctrine in Texas

51 Texas opinions name it 3 courts 1939–2022 1 in the last five years

The cases below were cited by Texas courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.

Followed or applied (37)

CaseFollowedCited
Sparger v. Worley Hospital, Inc.green
tex · 1977 · cited in 11 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1980–2022
2 sentences

2022Joseph Hosp. v. Wolff, 94 S.W.3d 513, 537 (Tex. 2002) (plurality op.) (applying doctrine in vicarious liability case); Sparger v. Worley Hosp., Inc., 547 S.W.2d 582, 584 (Tex. 1977) (similar, noting that the borrowed servant doctrine “cuts across the entire law of principal and agent and employer and employee”).

2019At the outset, the test for employee status under the Act, and the tests for both borrowed servant and respondeat superior each include some formulation for the “right of control.” Garza, 161 S.W.3d at 477 (employee status under the Act 8 determined by traditional indicia, such as actual right of control over details of work causing accident); Limestone Products Distribution., Inc. v. McNamara, 71 S.W.3d 308, 312 (Tex. 2002) (setting out factors for right of control in determining if company was responsible for driver’s conduct); Sparger v. Worley Hosp., Inc., 547 S.W.2d 582, 583 (Tex. 1977) (

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Carr v. Carroll Co.green
texapp · 1982 · cited in 7 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1993–2003
2 sentences

2003Williams v. APS, Inc. , 969 S.W.2d 433, 435 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.] 1997, no pet.); Carr v. Carroll Co. , 646 S.W.2d 561, 563 (Tex. App.—Dallas 1982, writ ref’d n.r.e .).

2003Williams v. APS, Inc., 969 S.W.2d 433, 435 (Tex.App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 1997, no pet.); Carr v. Carroll Co., 646 S.W.2d 561, 563 (Tex.App.-Dallas 1982, writ ref'd n.r.e.). *754 To achieve consistency and predictability in the law, the borrowed servant doctrine should be applied to both subscribers and non-subscribers.

57
Marshall v. Toys-R-Us Nytex, Inc.green
texapp · 1992 · cited in 5 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1993–2002
2 sentences

2002See Marshall v. Toys-R-Us Nytex, Inc., 825 S.W.2d 193, 196 (Tex.App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 1992, writ denied).

2002See Marshall v. Toys-R-Us Nytex, Inc., 825 S.W.2d 193, 196 (Tex. App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 1992, writ denied).

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Esquivel v. Mapelli Meat Packing Co.green
texapp · 1996 · cited in 4 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1998–2002
2 sentences

2002Esquivel v. Mapelli Meat Packing Co., 932 S.W.2d 612, 614 (Tex.App.-San Antonio 1996, writ denied).

2002Esquivel v. Mapelli Meat Packing Co., 932 S.W.2d 612, 614 (Tex.App.-San Antonio 1996, writ denied).

44
Producers Chemical Company v. McKaygreen
tex · 1963 · cited in 5 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1992–2005
2 sentences

2005Because Western Steel bore the burden of proof on the borrowed servant defense, we look to the circumstances surrounding Altenburg’s temporary employment with Western Steel by reviewing the factors enumerated in McKay, 366 S.W.2d at 226 .

2005Because Western Steel bore the burden of proof on the borrowed servant defense, we look to the circumstances surrounding Altenburg's temporary employment with Western Steel by reviewing the factors enumerated in McKay, 366 S.W.2d at 226 .

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Lara v. Lilegreen
texapp · 1992 · cited in 3 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1994–2005
2 sentences

2005The borrowed servant doctrine is discussed in Restatement (Second) of Agency § 227 (1958), “Servant Lent to Another Master.” See Lara v. Lile, 828 S.W.2d 536, 538 (Tex.App.-Corpus Christi 1992, writ denied).

2005The borrowed servant doctrine is discussed in RESTATEMENT (SECOND) OF AGENCY § 227 (1958), "Servant Lent to Another Master." See Lara v. Lile, 828 S.W.2d 536, 538 (Tex.App.-Corpus Christi 1992, writ denied).

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Garza v. Exel Logistics, Inc.green
tex · 2005 · cited in 3 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2005–2022
2 sentences

2022“Accordingly, in determining if a general employee of a temporary employment agency is also an employee of a client company for purposes of the Act, we consider traditional indicia, such as the exercise of actual control over the details of the work that gave rise to the injury.” Garza, 161 S.W.3d at 477 ; see St.

2019At the outset, the test for employee status under the Act, and the tests for both borrowed servant and respondeat superior each include some formulation for the “right of control.” Garza, 161 S.W.3d at 477 (employee status under the Act 8 determined by traditional indicia, such as actual right of control over details of work causing accident); Limestone Products Distribution., Inc. v. McNamara, 71 S.W.3d 308, 312 (Tex. 2002) (setting out factors for right of control in determining if company was responsible for driver’s conduct); Sparger v. Worley Hosp., Inc., 547 S.W.2d 582, 583 (Tex. 1977) (

23
Linden-Alimak, Inc. v. McDonaldgreen
texapp · 1988 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2005–2022
2 sentences

2022Compare Linden-Alimak, Inc. v. McDonald, 745 S.W.2d 82, 84 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 1988, writ denied) (characterizing the borrowed servant doctrine as “an inferential rebuttal defense” because it “seeks to disprove the existence of an essential element submitted in another issue”; namely, “control”), Everman Corp. v. Haws & Garrett Gen.

2022Compare Linden-Alimak, Inc. v. McDonald, 745 S.W.2d 82, 84 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 1988, writ denied) (characterizing the borrowed servant doctrine as “an inferential rebuttal defense” because it “seeks to disprove the existence of an essential element submitted in another issue”; namely, “control”), Everman Corp. v. Haws & Garrett Gen.

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Lyons v. TEXAS a & M UNIVERSITYgreen
texapp · 1976 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2011–2011
2 sentences

2011The City argued that Johnson’s suit should be dismissed based on governmental immunity because (1) Johnson was a City employee under the borrowed servant doctrine; (2) the legislature requires the City to provide workers’ compensation benefits to its employees; and (3) Lyons v. Texas A & M University, 545 S.W.2d 56, 59 (Tex.Civ.App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 1976, writ ref'd n.r.e.), holds that the legislature “has not waived the immunity of governmental entities in tort suits by their employees” and “has retained the immunity and provided an alternative remedy through workmen’s compensation.” Alte

2011The City argued that Johnson’s suit should be dismissed based on governmental immunity because (1) Johnson was a City employee under the borrowed servant doctrine; (2) the legislature requires the City to provide workers’ compensation benefits to its employees; and (3) Lyons v. Texas A&M University, 545 S.W.2d 56, 59 (Tex. Civ.

22
Wingfoot Enterprises v. Alvaradogreen
tex · 2003 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2010–2010
2 sentences

2010Wingfoot Enter, v. Alvarado, 111 S.W.3d 134, 144 (Tex.2003); Thompson v. Travelers Indem.

2010Wingfoot Enter. v. Alvarado , 111 S.W.3d 134, 144 (Tex. 2003); Thompson v. Travelers Indem.

22
Rodriguez v. Martin Landscapinggreen
texapp · 1994 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2004–2005
2 sentences

2005Rodriguez v. Martin Landscape Mgmt., Inc., 882 S.W.2d 602, 604 (Tex.App.-Houston [1st Dist.] 1994, no writ).

2004Rodriguez v. Martin Landscape Mgmt., Inc. , 882 S.W.2d 602, 604 ( Tex. App.—Houston [1st Dist.] 1994, no writ ).

22
Ortiz v. Furr's Supermarketsgreen
texapp · 2000 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2003–2003
2 sentences

2003See Sparger , 547 S.W. 2d at 584 (stating the principle of borrowed servant “cuts across the entire law of principle and agent and employer and employee”); Ortiz , 26 S.W.3d at 652 (applying the borrowed servant doctrine to non-subscribers). [15] The borrowed servant doctrine can be fairly applied across the board due to the potential mixture of subscribers and non-subscribers present at any worksite.

2003See Sparger, 547 S.W.2d at 584 (stating the principle of borrowed servant “cuts across the entire law of principle and agent and employer and employee”); Ortiz, 26 S.W.3d at 652 (applying the borrowed servant doctrine to non-subscribers). 15 The borrowed servant doctrine can be fairly applied across the board due to the potential mixture of subscribers and non-subscribers present at any worksite.

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Williams v. APS, INC.green
texapp · 1997 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2003–2003
2 sentences

2003Williams v. APS, Inc. , 969 S.W.2d 433, 435 (Tex. App.—Houston [14th Dist.] 1997, no pet.); Carr v. Carroll Co. , 646 S.W.2d 561, 563 (Tex. App.—Dallas 1982, writ ref’d n.r.e .).

2003Williams v. APS, Inc., 969 S.W.2d 433, 435 (Tex.App.-Houston [14th Dist.] 1997, no pet.); Carr v. Carroll Co., 646 S.W.2d 561, 563 (Tex.App.-Dallas 1982, writ ref'd n.r.e.). *754 To achieve consistency and predictability in the law, the borrowed servant doctrine should be applied to both subscribers and non-subscribers.

22
Smith v. Otis Engineering Corp.green
texapp · 1984 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2003–2003
2 sentences

2003See Smith , 670 S.W.2d at 751 .

2003See McKay , 366 S.W.2d at 225 ; Smith , 670 S.W.2d at 751 .

22
Denison v. Haeber Roofing Co.green
texapp · 1989 · cited in 4 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1992–2001
2 sentences

2001Id. at 864 (citing Carr , 646 S.W.2d at 563 ).

2001Id. at 864 (citing Carr, 646 S.W.2d at 563 ).

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St. Joseph Hospital v. Wolffgreen
tex · 2002 · cited in 3 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2015–2022
2 sentences

2022Joseph Hosp. v. Wolff, 94 S.W.3d 513, 537 (Tex. 2002) (plurality op.) (applying doctrine in vicarious liability case); Sparger v. Worley Hosp., Inc., 547 S.W.2d 582, 584 (Tex. 1977) (similar, noting that the borrowed servant doctrine “cuts across the entire law of principal and agent and employer and employee”).

2022Joseph Hosp., 94 S.W.3d at 537 ; Hilgenberg v. Elam, 198 S.W.2d 94, 96 (Tex. 1946) (quoting should not have been separately, or disjunctively submitted”), and Comm. on Pattern Jury Charges, State Bar of Tex., Texas Pattern Jury Charges: Malpractice, Premises & Products PJC 52.2 (2018) (noting that doctrine is “an inferential rebuttal” defense to the general employer’s liability), with Coco v. Port of Corpus Christi Auth., 132 S.W.3d 689, 691 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi–Edinburg 2004, no pet.) (“The borrowed servant doctrine is an affirmative defense to tort liability based on respondeat superior

13
Hilgenberg v. Elamgreen
tex · 1946 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1965–2022
2 sentences

2022Joseph Hosp., 94 S.W.3d at 537 ; Hilgenberg v. Elam, 198 S.W.2d 94, 96 (Tex. 1946) (quoting should not have been separately, or disjunctively submitted”), and Comm. on Pattern Jury Charges, State Bar of Tex., Texas Pattern Jury Charges: Malpractice, Premises & Products PJC 52.2 (2018) (noting that doctrine is “an inferential rebuttal” defense to the general employer’s liability), with Coco v. Port of Corpus Christi Auth., 132 S.W.3d 689, 691 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi–Edinburg 2004, no pet.) (“The borrowed servant doctrine is an affirmative defense to tort liability based on respondeat superior

1965Hilgenberg v. Elam, 145 Tex. 437 , 198 S.W.2d 94 ; Dempster Mill Mfg.

12
J. A. Robinson Sons, Inc. v. Wigartgreen
tex · 1968 · cited in 2 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1977–1992
2 sentences

1992Id. at 332 .

1992Id. at 332 .

12
Faust v. Pumpco, Inc.green
texapp · 2001 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2022–2022
1 sentence

2022Joseph Hosp., 94 S.W.3d at 537 ; Hilgenberg v. Elam, 198 S.W.2d 94, 96 (Tex. 1946) (quoting should not have been separately, or disjunctively submitted”), and Comm. on Pattern Jury Charges, State Bar of Tex., Texas Pattern Jury Charges: Malpractice, Premises & Products PJC 52.2 (2018) (noting that doctrine is “an inferential rebuttal” defense to the general employer’s liability), with Coco v. Port of Corpus Christi Auth., 132 S.W.3d 689, 691 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi–Edinburg 2004, no pet.) (“The borrowed servant doctrine is an affirmative defense to tort liability based on respondeat superior

11
Everman Corp. v. Haws & Garrett General Contractors, Inc.green
texapp · 1979 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2022–2022
1 sentence

2022Contractors, Inc., 578 S.W.2d 539, 542 (Tex. App.—Fort Worth 1979, no writ) (concluding that “[w]hether he was a borrowed servant in this context is merely inferential rebuttal and 25 Linden-Alimak, Inc., 745 S.W.2d at 84 ; cf. Comm. on Pattern Jury Charges, State Bar of Tex., Texas Pattern Jury Charges: Malpractice, Premises & Products PJC 52.2 (2018) (noting that doctrine applies when a general employer “seeks to rebut the employment relationship with evidence that the employee was the borrowed employee of another”).

11
Coco v. Port of Corpus Christi Authoritygreen
texapp · 2004 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2022–2022
1 sentence

2022Joseph Hosp., 94 S.W.3d at 537 ; Hilgenberg v. Elam, 198 S.W.2d 94, 96 (Tex. 1946) (quoting should not have been separately, or disjunctively submitted”), and Comm. on Pattern Jury Charges, State Bar of Tex., Texas Pattern Jury Charges: Malpractice, Premises & Products PJC 52.2 (2018) (noting that doctrine is “an inferential rebuttal” defense to the general employer’s liability), with Coco v. Port of Corpus Christi Auth., 132 S.W.3d 689, 691 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi–Edinburg 2004, no pet.) (“The borrowed servant doctrine is an affirmative defense to tort liability based on respondeat superior

11
Wesby v. Act Pipe & Supply, Inc.green
texapp · 2006 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2019–2019
2 sentences

2019See Wesby v. Act Pipe & Supply, Inc., 199 S.W.3d 614, 619 (Tex.App.--Dallas 2006, no pet.) (holding that the client company was entitled to the exclusive remedy defense under 10 the borrowed servant doctrine); Flores v. N. Am.

2019See Wesby v. Act Pipe & Supply, Inc., 199 S.W.3d 614, 619 (Tex.App.--Dallas 2006, no pet.) (holding that the client company was entitled to the exclusive remedy defense under 10 the borrowed servant doctrine); Flores v. N. Am.

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Lockett v. HB Zachry Co.green
texapp · 2009 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2019–2019
1 sentence

2019Elastomer Products, L.L.C., 316 S.W.3d 181, 187 (Tex.App.--Houston [14th Dist.] 2010, pet. denied) (in claim by staffing agency employee, court notes that “[w]hen there is a question as to whether one is an ‘employer’ under the TWCA, Texas courts turn to the borrowed servant doctrine.”); Lockett v. HB Zachry Co., 285 S.W.3d 63, 75 (Tex.App.--Houston [1st Dist.] 2009, no pet.) (noting, in the workers' compensation context, that “[b]orrowed employee status hinges on whether the other employer or its agents have the right to direct and control the employee with respect to the details of the parti

11
Phillips v. American Elastomer Products, L.L.C.green
texapp · 2010 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2019–2019
1 sentence

2019Elastomer Products, L.L.C., 316 S.W.3d 181, 187 (Tex.App.--Houston [14th Dist.] 2010, pet. denied) (in claim by staffing agency employee, court notes that “[w]hen there is a question as to whether one is an ‘employer’ under the TWCA, Texas courts turn to the borrowed servant doctrine.”); Lockett v. HB Zachry Co., 285 S.W.3d 63, 75 (Tex.App.--Houston [1st Dist.] 2009, no pet.) (noting, in the workers' compensation context, that “[b]orrowed employee status hinges on whether the other employer or its agents have the right to direct and control the employee with respect to the details of the parti

11
Limestone Products Distribution, Inc. v. McNamaragreen
tex · 2002 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2019–2019
1 sentence

2019At the outset, the test for employee status under the Act, and the tests for both borrowed servant and respondeat superior each include some formulation for the “right of control.” Garza, 161 S.W.3d at 477 (employee status under the Act 8 determined by traditional indicia, such as actual right of control over details of work causing accident); Limestone Products Distribution., Inc. v. McNamara, 71 S.W.3d 308, 312 (Tex. 2002) (setting out factors for right of control in determining if company was responsible for driver’s conduct); Sparger v. Worley Hosp., Inc., 547 S.W.2d 582, 583 (Tex. 1977) (

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Jerry A. Powell, MD v. Eric Knipp and Laura Knippgreen
texapp · 2015 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2019–2019
1 sentence

2019Wolff, 94 S.W.3d at 539 ; Powell v. Knipp, 479 S.W.3d 394, 401 (Tex.App.--Dallas 2015, pet. denied)(holding that plaintiff must show that the borrowing employer controlled the doctor to the exclusion of the state university employer).

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Elizondo v. Tavarezgreen
texapp · 1980 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2015–2015
1 sentence

2015Joseph Hosp., 94 S.W.3d at 542 ; Elizondo v. Tavarez, 596 S.W.2d 667, 671 (Tex.Civ.App.—Cor *22 pus Christi 1980, writ ref d n.r.e.) (“Linder the borrowed servant doctrine in a suit for malpractice against a doctor, the controlling question is whether the doctor had the right to control the ‘servant’ in the details of the specific act or omission raising the issue of liability.”).

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Shupe v. Lingafeltergreen
tex · 2006 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2014–2014
1 sentence

2014See Columbia Rio Grande Healthcare, L.P. v. Hawley, 284 S.W.3d 851, 855 (Tex. 2009); Shupe v. Lingafelter, 192 S.W.3d 577, 579 (Tex. 2006).

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Columbia Rio Grande Healthcare, L.P. v. Hawleygreen
tex · 2009 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2014–2014
1 sentence

2014See Columbia Rio Grande Healthcare, L.P. v. Hawley, 284 S.W.3d 851, 855 (Tex. 2009); Shupe v. Lingafelter, 192 S.W.3d 577, 579 (Tex. 2006).

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Glenn Paul Baker, Sr., Cross-Appellant v. Raymond International, Inc., Cross-Appelleegreen
ca5 · 1981 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2011–2011
11
Ralph Hall v. Diamond M Companygreen
ca5 · 1984 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2011–2011
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Western Steel Co., Inc. v. Altenburggreen
texapp · 2005 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2006–2006
11
Aguilar v. Wenglar Const. Co., Inc.green
texapp · 1994 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2005–2005
11
Exxon Corp. v. Perezgreen
tex · 1992 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2005–2005
11
Montemayor v. Chapagreen
texapp · 2001 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2004–2004
11
Standard Oil Co. v. Andersongreen
scotus · 1909 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 2003–2003
11
Porter v. Puryeargreen
texapp · 1953 · cited in 1 Texas opinions naming this issue, 1999–1999
11

Distinguished, questioned or overruled (0)

CaseNegativeCited
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Also cited on this issue (19)

CaseCitedYears
Castillo v. United States Fire Insurance Co. green
texapp · 1997
2 sentences

2007Co., 953 S.W.2d 470 (Tex.App.--El Paso 1997, no writ), after referring to the Producers Chemical Co. explication of the borrowed servant doctrine, the court observed further that when a contract between the employers expressly provides that one or the other shall have right of control, that provision determines who is the employer.

2002Co., 953 S.W.2d 470 (Tex.App.--El Paso 1997, no writ), after referring to the Producers Chemical Co. explication of the borrowed servant doctrine, the court observed further that when a contract between the employers expressly provides that one or the other shall have right of control, that provision determines who is the employer.

42002–2007
Douglas F. White v. Bethlehem Steel Corporation, and Krupp Lonrho Gmbh Seeschiffart green
ca4 · 2000
12011–2011
Alaniz v. Galena Park Independent School District green
texapp · 1992
11997–1997
Johnston Testers v. Rangel green
texapp · 1968
11987–1987
Miller v. Hood green
texapp · 1976
11980–1980
Ramone v. Mani green
texapp · 1975
11977–1977
Buzan v. Mercy Hospital, Inc. green
fladistctapp · 1967
11977–1977
Nichter v. Edmiston yellow
nev · 1965
11977–1977
Medoff v. Feldmeier green
pa · 1974
11977–1977
Danks v. Maher green
lactapp · 1965
11977–1977
Webb v. Jorns green
tex · 1972
11977–1977
Thomas v. Hutchinson green
pa · 1971
11977–1977
Campbell v. Thornton green
mass · 1975
11977–1977
TONSIC Et Vir. v. Wagner green
pa · 1974
11977–1977
Synnott v. Midway Hospital green
minn · 1970
11977–1977
City of Waco v. Hurst neutral
texapp · 1939
11940–1940
Western Union Telegraph Co. v. Rust green
· 1909
11940–1940
Dempster Mill Mfg. Co. v. Lester green
texapp · 1939
11940–1940
Jones v. George F. Getty Oil Co. green
ca10 · 1937
11939–1939

Statutes the citing opinions construe

TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 408.001 (15) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 401.011 (9) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 401.012 (5) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 406.033 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 408.101 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 409.021 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.251 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.252 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.254 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.255 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.303 (3) TX § Tex. Lab. Code § 410.304 (3)

Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.

Where else courts name it

TX 51 (1939–2022) GA 31 (1973–2026) LA 31 (1960–2024) FL 13 (1984–2025) MO 11 (1948–2012) PA 11 (1984–2022) MS 8 (1993–2023) WI 8 (1981–2009) VA 6 (1992–2019) WA 6 (2012–2021) NC 5 (1994–2022) IN 4 (1993–2009) MN 3 (1971–2026) CA 3 (1982–2020) MA 3 (1958–2013) IA 2 (1949–1958) SC 2 (2005–2012) MD 2 (1993–2001) CT 2 (1988–1999) RI 2 (2011–2011) AK 2 (1980–2001) AR 2 (1969–2012) AZ 2 (2009–2021) NH 2 (1992–1997)

Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.

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