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cited Cited "but see" United States v. Barraza
S.D. Cal. · 2004 · signal: but see · confidence high
But see United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Carlos Estrada
9th Cir. · 2023 · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
an appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Fidel Castro-Verdugo (6×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
9th Cir. · 2014 · signal: see also · quote attribution · 5 verbatim quotes · confidence high
an appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) Ardonis Greer v. Wayne J. Wiedenhoeft (2×)
Wis. · 2014 · quote attribution · 2 verbatim quotes · confidence high
due process requires that the probationer receive actual notice
examined Cited as authority (verbatim quote) UNITED STATES v. RAUL ORTUÑO-HIGAREDA (4×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
9th Cir. · 2006 · signal: compare · quote attribution · 2 verbatim quotes · confidence high
when . . . the proscribed acts are not criminal, due process requires that the probationer receive actual notice.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Ortuno-Higareda (2×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
9th Cir. · 2006 · signal: compare · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
when . . . the proscribed acts are not criminal, due process requires that the probationer receive actual notice.
discussed Cited as authority (verbatim quote) United States v. Huguenin
1st Cir. · 1994 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
generally, formal conditions of probation provide notice of proscribed activities.
discussed Cited as authority (quoted) United States v. Huguenin
1st Cir. · 1994 · signal: see · quote attribution · 1 verbatim quote · confidence high
generally, formal conditions of probation provide notice of proscribed activities.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Pranzetti
9th Cir. · 2025 · confidence medium
“Less process is due” at revocation hearings, and “that process must be flexible enough” to balance the releasee’s “right to confrontation against the Government’s good cause for denying it.” United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir. 1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) John Scott Grigg v. State
Ga. Ct. App. · 2024 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (II) (9th Cir. 1987) (admission at probation revocation hearing of copies of hospital records prepared by defendant’s attending physician and staff, and denial of defendant’s opportunity to confront and cross-examine hospital personnel, was not plain error despite trial court’s failure to inquire if the State had good cause for not providing these witnesses when “cases also suggest that the reliability of evidence may provide a basis for its admission”).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Andrew Carpino
9th Cir. · 2024 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir. 1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Luke v. Lee County, Community Supervision and Corrections Department
W.D. Tex. · 2023 · confidence medium
“An essential component of these due process rights is that individuals be given fair warning of acts which may lead to revocation.” United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir. 1987) (citations omitted, emphasis added).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Brian Cota
9th Cir. · 2022 · confidence medium
We express no view on the merits of Cota’s Rule 11 challenge because this appeal “is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.” United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987); see also United States v. Castro- Verdugo, 750 F.3d 1065 , 1068–71 (9th Cir. 2014); United States v. Gerace, 997 F.2d 1293, 1295 (9th Cir. 1993).
cited Cited as authority (rule) State v. B. Fetveit
Mont. · 2020 · confidence medium
U.S. v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir. 1987) (citation omitted).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jeffery Hall
6th Cir. · 2018 · confidence medium
In Garcia-Hernandez, 78 (2d Cir. 2003); United States v. Pregent, 190 F.3d 279, 283 (4th Cir. 1999); United States v. Almand, 992 F.2d 316 , 317–18 (11th Cir. 1993); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987); United States v. Torrez- Flores, 624 F.2d 776, 780 (7th Cir. 1980). 4 No. 17-5222, United States v. Hall that court explicitly declined to address whether the appeal was an impermissible collateral attack on the original conviction.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Joseph Avila
9th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
When deciding whether a violation has occurred, we consider “the importance of the hearsay evidence to the court’s ultimate finding,” id. at 1171 ; the “‘traditional indicia of reliability’ borne by the evidence;” United States v. Martin, 984 F.2d 308, 312 (9th Cir. 1993) (quoting United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir. 1987)); and the “difficulty and expense of procuring witnesses,” id. (internal quotation marks omitted)..
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rudy Wahchumwah
9th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
This court, however, has held that “[a]n appeal challenging a probation revocation proceeding is not the proper avenue through which to attack the validity of the original sentence.” United States v. Gerace, 997 F.2d 1293, 1295 (9th Cir. 1993); see also United States v. Castro-Verdugo, 750 F.3d 1065, 1068-69 (9th Cir. 2014); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rudy Wahchumwah
9th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
This court, however, has held that “[a]n appeal challenging a probation revocation proceeding is not the proper avenue through which to attack the validity of the original sentence.” United States v. Gerace, 997 F.2d 1293, 1295 (9th Cir. 1993); see also United States v. Castro-Verdugo, 750 F.3d 1065, 1068-69 (9th Cir. 2014); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. John Hudson
9th Cir. · 2017 · confidence medium
When determining whether a releasee has had “a fair and meaningful opportunity” to exercise his Fifth Amendment confrontation rights, “we employ ‘a process of balancing the releasee’s right to confrontation against the Government’s good cause for denying it.’ ” United States v. Martin, 984 F.2d 308, 310 (9th Cir. 1993) (quoting United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir. 1987)) (internal alteration omitted).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Jermaine Jones
3rd Cir. · 2016 · confidence medium
III Several of our sister courts have held that “the validity of an underlying conviction or sentence may not be collaterally attacked in a supervised release revocation proceeding and may be challenged only on direct appeal or through a habeas corpus proceeding.” United States v. Warren, 335 F.3d 76, 78 (2d Cir. 2003); see also United States v. Francischine, 512 F.2d *344 827, 828-29 (5th Cir. 1975); United States v. Torrez-Flores, 624 F.2d 776, 780 (7th Cir. 1980); United States v. Miller, 557 F.3d 910, 913 (8th Cir. 2009); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987); Uni…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Eldert
Vt. · 2015 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Simms , 757 F.3d 728, 733 (8th Cir. 2014) (stating fear of violence and reprisal may provide basis for not producing witness); United States v. Martin , 371 F.3d 446, 449 (8th Cir. 2004) (accepting fact that witness was out of state, and that attempts to locate the witness had failed, as “reasonably satisfactory” reason proffered by government for lack of live testimony); Bell , 785 F.2d at 643 (explaining that good reasons for not procuring live testimony may include “danger of physical harm” to an informant or the level of difficulty or cost); United State…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Eldert
Vt. · 2015 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Simms, 757 F.3d 728, 733 (8th Cir. 2014) (stating fear of violence and reprisal may provide basis for not producing witness); United States v. Martin, 371 F.3d 446, 449 (8th Cir. 2004) (accepting fact that witness was out of state, and that attempts to locate the witness had failed, as “reasonably satisfactory” reason proffered by government for lack of live testimony); Bell, 785 F.2d at 643 (explaining that good reasons for not procuring live testimony may include “danger of physical harm” to an informant or the level of difficulty or cost); United States v…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Michael Douglas White (2×)
Idaho Ct. App. · 2015 · confidence medium
This Court continued, discussing the analysis applicable to such an inquiry: In analyzing whether the defendant’s right to confrontation was violated, courts employ a process of balancing the defendant’s right to confrontation against the state’s good cause for denying it. [United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987)]; California v. Arreola, 7 Cal.4th 1144 , 31 Cal.Rptr.2d 631 , 875 P.2d 736, 746-47 (1994); Kansas v. Yura, 250 Kan. 198 , 825 P.2d 523, 530 (1992); Washington v. Nelson, 103 Wash.2d 760 , 697 P.2d 579, 581 (1985).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Collura v. Ford
E.D. Pa. · 2014 · confidence medium
Gagnon v. Scarpelli, 411 U.S. at 780 , 93 S.Ct. 1756 ; Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 472-73 , 92 S.Ct. 2593 (1972); United States v. Gallo, 20 F.3d 7, 14 (1st Cir.1994); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 562 (9th Cir.1987); United States v. Dane, 570 F.2d 840, 841 (9th Cir.1977); Commonwealth v. Allshouse, 969 A.2d 1236, 1238-39 (Pa.Super.Ct.2009); Commonwealth v. Carver, 923 A.2d 495, 495-96 (Pa.Super.Ct.2007); Commonwealth v. Ferguson, 761 A.2d 613, 615 (Pa.Super.Ct.2000); Knight v. Commonwealth, 98 Pa.Cmwlth. 88 , 510 A.2d 402, 403 (1986), overruled on other grounds by Johnson v. Commonwealt…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Olaf Juda (2×) also: Cited "see, e.g."
9th Cir. · 2013 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987) (citing United States v. Lustig, 555 F.2d 751, 753 (9th Cir.1977)) (“[A] conviction may be collaterally attacked only in a separate proceeding under 28 U.S.C. § 2255 , and a court should consider the petition for probation revocation as if the underlying conviction was unquestioned.”).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Donnie Jones
9th Cir. · 2011 · confidence medium
“Irrespective of the merits of this claim, an appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.” See United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) Valdivia v. Schwarzenegger (2×)
9th Cir. · 2010 · confidence medium
The application of a balancing test to the admission of hearsay evidence in parole revocation hearings is not an open question in this circuit. 4 See Hall, 419 F.3d at 986 ; Comito, 177 F.3d at 1170-73 ; United States v. Walker, 117 F.3d 417, 420-21 (9th Cir.1997); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Roth
N.D. · 2008 · confidence medium
Certainly, a defendant must have notice of the conditions of probation, and “ ‘[t]he record must be closely scrutinized to determine whether the defendant did, in fact, receive the requisite warning.’ ” State v. Drader, 432 N.W.2d 553, 555 (N.D.1988) (quoting United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir.1987)).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Kikuchi
9th Cir. · 2008 · confidence medium
The district court undertook the balancing test required by United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Keys
5th Cir. · 2008 · confidence medium
See Hinson, 429 F.3d at 116 n. 8; United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
cited Cited as authority (rule) Valdivia v. Schwarzenegger
E.D. Cal. · 2008 · confidence medium
Id. at 564-65.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ortiz
9th Cir. · 2006 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Shampang, 987 F.2d 1439, 1442-43 (9th Cir.1993) (applying due process standards to revocation of probation proceedings); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir.1987) (setting forth general due process notice requirement applicable in revocation situations).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. K.T.A.
9th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
“Irrespective of the merits of this claim, an appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.” United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Justin D.
9th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
The government and the district court mistakenly relied upon United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987), which establishes that an underlying conviction may not be collaterally attacked on direct appeal from a district court order revoking probation: [A]n appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Christopher Middaugh
8th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
Middaugh is foreclosed from attacking his firearm conviction in this appeal, see United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir. 1987) (appeal from probation revocation is not proper avenue for collateral attack on underlying conviction); he waived the reappointment issue by explicitly accepting his present counsel at the revocation hearing, see United States v. Tulk, 171 F.3d 596, 600 (8th Cir.1999) (issue waived below is not reviewed, even for plain error); and his ineffective-assistance claims are not properly before us, see United States v. Hughes, 330 F.3d 1068, 1069 (8th Cir.2003) …
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ruiz-Camarena
9th Cir. · 2005 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons makes clear that an underlying conviction may not be collaterally attacked on direct appeal from a district court order revoking probation, emphasizing that “a court should consider the petition for probation revocation as if the underlying conviction was unquestioned.” 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Lawrence
9th Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
The conviction may be collaterally attacked only in a separate proceeding under 28 U.S.C. § 2255 , and a court should consider the petition for probation revocation as if the underlying conviction was unquestioned.” United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Stanfield, David C.
D.C. Cir. · 2004 · confidence medium
See, e.g,, United States v. Redd, 318 F.3d 778, 783-84 (8th Cir.2003); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987); Egerstaffer v. Israel, 726 F.2d 1231, 1234 (7th Cir.1984); United States v. Penn, 721 F.2d 762, 765 (11th Cir.1983); see generally Fed.R.Evid. 1101(d)(3) (Rules of Evidence do not apply in probation revocation proceedings). -The district court could have concluded that Davis’s statements introduced via Shaw were fairly reliable, insofar as they were corroborated by the undisputed fact that Stanfield had been expelled from the counseling program.
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Rios
9th Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
United States v. Duff, 831 F.2d 176, 177 (9th Cir. 1987) ; United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Stephen Thomas Warren
2d Cir. · 2003 · confidence medium
See United States v. Francischine, 512 F.2d 827, 828-29 (5th Cir.1975) (reaching that conclusion with respect to an attempt to collaterally attack an underlying conviction in a probation violation proceeding); see also United States v. Ho-fierka, 83 F.3d 357 , 363 (11th Cir.1996) (per curiam) (“[A] supervised release revocation proceeding is not the proper forum in which to attack the conviction giving rise to the revocation.”); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987) (“Irrespective of the merits of [defendant’s] claim, an appeal from a probation revocation is not th…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Flanory
6th Cir. · 2002 · confidence medium
See, e.g., United States v. Almand, 992 F.2d 316, 317 (11th Cir.1993) (explaining that “[a] sentence is presumed valid until vacated under § 2255,” which is the exclusive means for challenging the validity of a sentence); United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987) (refusing on an appeal from revocation of probation to consider a challenge to the underlying conviction that resulted in the probation; defendant should attack guilty plea leading to the original conviction in a § 2255 pro ceeding and for purposes of probation revocation, the underlying conviction should be tre…
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Chau
9th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir.1987).
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Morgan
9th Cir. · 2001 · confidence medium
See id. at 1172 ; United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) State v. Farmer
Idaho Ct. App. · 1998 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987), citing Gagnon v. Scarpelli, 411 U.S. 778, 789 , 93 S.Ct. 1756 , 36 L.Ed.2d 656 (1973) and Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471, 489 , 92 S.Ct. 2593 , 33 L.Ed.2d 484 (1972).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) William JOHN, Petitioner-Appellant, v. UNITED STATES PAROLE COMMISSION, Respondent-Appellee
9th Cir. · 1997 · confidence medium
When it set out the minimum procedural requirements to be accorded to an individual facing parole revocation, Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 490 , 92 S.Ct.at 2604 emphasized that it did not wish to create “an inflexible structure for parole revocation procedures.” Rather, Morrissey, id. at 489, 92 S.Ct. at 2604 said that the process due at revocation hearings should be “flexible” and that “there is no thought to equate this second stage of parole revocation to a criminal prosecution in any sense.” Following that lead, we have earlier found that the Morrissey right to confrontation is one t…
discussed Cited as authority (rule) UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Donald Martel WALKER, Defendant-Appellant
9th Cir. · 1997 · confidence medium
Nevertheless, in determining whether the admission of hearsay evidence violates the releasee’s right to confrontation, the trial court must balance the releasee’s “right to confrontation against the Government’s good cause for denying it.” Id. at 310 (quoting United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Manuel Guerrero-Mota
9th Cir. · 1997 · confidence medium
To determine whether the admission of hearsay violates the defendant's right to confrontation, the Ninth Circuit employs "a process of balancing the [releasee's] right to confrontation against the Government's good cause for denying it." Martin, 984 F.2d at 310 (quoting United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987)).
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Humberto Eduardo Verdugo
9th Cir. · 1996 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 564 (9th Cir.1987). 11 Considering Verdugo's challenge to the hearsay testimony of Jauregui, the magistrate judge properly balanced Verdugo's right to confrontation against the government's good cause for denying it.
discussed Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Thomas Edward Nevis
9th Cir. · 1996 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 565 (9th Cir.1987). 5 Nevis argues that his failure to pay was not willful because (1) he lacked fair warning that he still had to comply with the original restitution order after he agreed to the proposed modification and (2) the restitution order did not specify that the FDIC had to be paid ahead of other creditors.
cited Cited as authority (rule) United States v. Ernest Bernard Moore
9th Cir. · 1996 · confidence medium
United States v. Simmons, 812 F.2d 561, 563 (9th Cir.1987).
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UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee,
v.
Rickey Dean SIMMONS, Defendant-Appellant
84-3095.
Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
Mar 12, 1987.
812 F.2d 561
1987 U.S. App. LEXIS 3213
George F. Darragh, Jr., Great Falls, Mont., for plaintiff-appellee., Rickey Dean Simmons, Springfield, Mo., Stephen C. Becker, San Francisco, Cal., for defendant-appellant.
Anderson, Hug, Canby.
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HUG, Circuit Judge:

Rickey D. Simmons appeals the revocation of his probation. [1] The district court found that Simmons had failed to cooperate with the psychiatric program mandated by his probation. Simmons’s appeal raises several due process concerns: (1) Did Simmons have the right to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses at the revocation hearing? (2) Did Simmons receive adequate notice that his conduct was proscribed by the terms of his probation? Simmons’s pro se brief also challenges the underlying conviction which led to his probation.

FACTS

On November 21,1983, a person identifying himself as Bill Tabor telephoned the Secret Service and said that Rickey D. Simmons wanted to kill President Ronald Reagan. A Secret Service agent subsequently determined that Bill Tabor was, in fact, Rickey D. Simmons. Simmons later admitted threatening the President to attract attention to his problems with the Veterans Administration (“VA”). At the time of these threats, Simmons was in Deaconness Hospital Psychiatric Ward. Simmons has been diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic.

Simmons was indicted and entered into a plea agreement with the Government. By the terms of the agreement, Simmons pled guilty to threatening to kill the President[*563] of the United States in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 871 (1982). In exchange, the Government agreed:

That, at sentencing itself, the U.S. Attorney shall affirmatively recommend to the Court that the Defendant receive not more than a five (5) year suspended sentence, with the requirement that Defendant, for the purposes of psychiatric care and treatment, voluntarily commit himself to the institution of his choosing, and that he not remove himself from such institution, save and excepting upon discharge by his attending or supervising psychiatrist____

(Emphasis added.) Subsequently, arrangements were made for Simmons’s admission to the VA Hospital at Sheridan, Wyoming, and sentence was imposed in accordance with the Government’s recommendation. [2]

Seven days after arriving at the VA Hospital, the United States Probation Office for the District of Montana filed a petition seeking revocation of Simmons’s probation. The grounds for revocation were his refusal to cooperate with the treatment program recommended by the psychiatric staff and his threats to leave the facility.

The district court held a hearing on July 9, 1984, and concluded that Simmons had violated the terms and conditions of his probation. This conclusion was based on a two-page patient summary prepared by Simmons’s attending physician and a two-page “Report of Contact” summarizing Simmons’s contact with his treatment team at the VA Hospital. After reviewing the transcript of the sentencing hearing, the court also determined that Simmons had adequate understanding of the probation terms. [3] Simmons was then committed to the custody of the Attorney General for five years.

DISCUSSION

I. Challenges to the Underlying Conviction

In addition to challenging the probation revocation, Simmons challenges the guilty plea which led to probation. He argues that the plea was coerced because he was denied medical care and treatment while in the custody of the United States Marshal’s Office after his arrest. Irrespective of the merits of this claim, an appeal from a probation revocation is not the proper avenue for a collateral attack on the underlying conviction. United States v. Lustig, 555 F.2d 751, 753 (9th Cir.1977), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 1045, 98 S.Ct. 889, 54 L.Ed.2d 796 (1978). The conviction may be collaterally attacked only in a separate proceeding under 28 U.S.C. § 2255, and a court should consider the petition for probation revocation as if the underlying conviction was unquestioned. Id.; see also United States v. Torrez-Flores, 624 F.2d 776, 780-81 (7th Cir.1980); United States v. Francischine, 512 F.2d 827, 828-29 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 423 U.S. 931, 96 S.Ct. 284, 46 L.Ed.2d 261 (1975).

[*564] II. Right to Confront and Cross-Examine

Simmons challenges the use of VA Hospital records at the revocation hearing. He contends that their use was a denial of his right to confront and cross-examine the individuals who prepared these records. At the outset, we note that Simmons did not object to the admission of these documents at the revocation proceedings. Therefore, our inquiry is limited to whether the denial of confrontation and cross-examination constituted “plain error.” Fed.R. Crim.P. 52(b); United States v. Kupau, 781 F.2d 740, 742-43 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, — U.S. —, 107 S.Ct. 93, 93 L.Ed.2d 45 (1986). Under this standard, there must be a “highly prejudicial error affecting substantial rights.” United States v. Giese, 597 F.2d 1170, 1199 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 444 U.S. 979, 100 S.Ct. 480, 62 L.Ed.2d 405 (1979).

In Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471, 92 S.Ct. 2593, 33 L.Ed.2d 484 (1972), and Gagnon v. Scarpelli, 411 U.S. 778, 93 S.Ct. 1756, 36 L.Ed.2d 656 (1973), the Supreme Court held that the confrontation clause, as incorporated by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, requires probationers and parolees to have some right to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses. They possess the right unless the hearing officer specifically finds good cause for not allowing confrontation. Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 489, 92 S.Ct. at 2604; Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 786, 93 S.Ct. at 1761. At the same time, however, the revocation proceeding is not to be equated with a criminal prosecution. Less process is due at a revocation hearing, and that process must be flexible enough to allow the court to consider documentary evidence that may not meet usual evidentiary requirements. Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 489, 92 S.Ct. at 2604; Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 789, 93 S.Ct. at 1763. The Court did not “intend to prohibit use where appropriate of the conventional substitutes for live testimony, including affidavits, depositions, and documentary evidence.” Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 783 n. 5, 93 S.Ct. at 1760 n. 5.

The cases thus delineate a process of balancing the probationer’s right to confrontation against the Government’s good cause for denying it. In particular, good cause may arise from the “difficulty and expense of procuring witnesses.” Id. Our cases also suggest that the reliability of evidence may provide a basis for its admission. In United States v. Miller, 514 F.2d 41 (9th Cir.1975), we found no violation of probationer’s confrontation rights by the admission of unauthenticated copies of state court criminal records. [4] Although the records were hearsay, the probationer had not challenged their accuracy and the court found them sufficiently reliable. Id. at 42-43; see also United States v. Garcia, 771 F.2d 1369, 1372 & n. 3 (9th Cir.1985) (noting the court’s emphasis on reliability); Ryan v. Montana, 580 F.2d 988, 992-93 (9th Cir.1978), cert. denied, 440 U.S. 977, 99 S.Ct. 1548, 59 L.Ed.2d 796 (1979). Other circuits agree that hearsay evidence may be admissible in probation revocation hearings. See, e.g., United States v. McCallum, 677 F.2d 1024, 1026-27 (4th Cir.), cert. denied, 459 U.S. 1010, 103 S.Ct. 365, 74 L.Ed.2d 400 (1982); Prellwitz v. Berg, 578 F.2d 190, 191-93 (7th Cir.1978); United States v. Pattman, 535 F.2d 1062, 1063-64 (8th Cir.1976).

In this case, the district court admitted copies of hospital records prepared by Simmons’s attending physician and a Release of Information Clerk. [5] In light of the traditional indicia of reliability that these records bear, see McCormick on Evidence § 313, at 882-85 (E. Cleary ed. 1984); United States v. Sackett, 598 F.2d 739, 742 (2d Cir.1979); Medina v. Erickson, 226 F.2d[*565] 475, 482-83 (9th Cir.1955), cert. denied, 351 U.S. 912, 76 S.Ct. 702, 100 L.Ed. 1446 (1956), and the diminished procedural protections which attach to a probation revocation proceeding, we cannot say that the admission of these records and the denial of Simmons’s opportunity to confront and cross-examine the hospital personnel was plain error.

III. Fair Notice of Proscribed Conduct

A district court has broad discretion to revoke probation when its conditions are violated. United States v. Dane, 570 F.2d 840, 843 (9th Cir.1977), cert. denied, 436 U.S. 959, 98 S.Ct. 3075, 57 L.Ed.2d 1124 (1978). However, the district court’s discretion has limitations, and this court has authority to review revocation decisions for fundamental unfairness or an abuse of discretion. Id.; United States v. Hamilton, 708 F.2d 1412, 1414 (9th Cir.1983). As noted, the loss of liberty entailed in the revocation of probation is a serious deprivation requiring the district court to accord due process to the probationer. Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 781-82, 93 S.Ct. at 1759; Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 481-82, 92 S.Ct. at 2600. An essential component of these due process rights is that individuals be given fair warning of acts which may lead to revocation. Dane, 570 F.2d at 843.

Generally, formal conditions of probation provide notice of proscribed activities. A court also may impute knowledge when the violation is a criminal act. Id. at 844. But when, as here, the proscribed acts are not criminal, due process requires that the probationer receive actual notice. “[T]he record must be closely scrutinized to determine whether the defendant did, in fact, receive the requisite warning.” Id. Therefore, unless Simmons received prior fair warning that his acts could lead to revocation, the district court’s revocation violated due process and was an abuse of discretion. See, e.g., United States v. Grant, 807 F.2d 837, 838-39 (9th Cir.1987) (failure to pay a $20,000 fine could not be used to revoke probation because it was not made a formal condition of probation and the district judge did not expressly associate payment with rehabilitation); Hamilton, 708 F.2d at 1415 (probationer did not have adequate notice of reporting requirements since prior probation officer had not enforced them); United States v. Foster, 500 F.2d 1241, 1243-44 (9th Cir.1974) (probationer’s failure to maintain contact with probation department could not be predicate for revoking probation because probationer had not been informed that he was obliged either to report to probation department or to advise them of change of address); United States v. Chapel, 428 F.2d 472, 474 (9th Cir.1970) (noncriminal acts of protest against Selective Service while on probation for draft offenses could not be used to revoke probation for failing “to obey all laws,” when conditions themselves provided inadequate notice).

Our inquiry in this case must begin with the conduct which led to the revocation of Simmons’s probation. The district court found that Simmons had “refused to cooperate with the treatment program recommended by the psychiatric staff at the Veterans Hospital and threatened to leave that facility.” The hospital records relied on by the court recounted that Simmons told staff members he did not want to stay at the VA Hospital, but wanted to transfer to a “private hospital.” After being told that he would have to complete whatever treatment plan the VA Hospital designed for him, Simmons insisted that the court would understand his desire to leave. Simmons subsequently met with his treatment team and made clear his intention to go to another institution. At no time, however, did Simmons try to leave the VA facility.

The VA Hospital at Sheridan, Wyoming, is an “open” facility. There are no walls, fences, or guards. Consequently, patients can voluntarily leave the facility. Simmons made no such efforts.

We are not convinced that Simmons was informed adequately that the conduct outlined above would result in the revocation of his probation. Simmons believed he had the right and option to leave the VA Hospital and commit himself to a private[*566] psychiatric institution. [6] He believed that the extent of his obligation was not to leave the facility without permission. The district judge was not required to believe Simmons, but disbelief is not a substitute for affirmative evidence that Simmons was informed that the instant conduct was proscribed by his probation. Foster, 500 F.2d at 1244. In fact, the district judge gave support to Simmons’s understanding with his own remarks during the sentencing hearing:

THE COURT: I think we made clear last time, but I want to be clear to you now that [the VA Hospital] is an open situation. There are no fences or guards and things like that; is that right?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes. They do have VA police to protect.
THE COURT: They are there to protect the hospital?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
THE COURT:. But you can leave if you choose to do so. You can walk away?
THE DEFENDANT: It is a voluntary open hospital.
THE COURT: I want to be clear if you should choose to do that, that should be sufficient to violate the terms of this probation, if you do that before they say you are ready to leave.

It was made clear that leaving without an official discharge would violate Simmons’s probation. There was no indication that “threatening” to go to another institution would violate that probation.

We also believe that the ambiguity between the plea agreement and the final sentence and probation may have contributed to Simmons’s understanding of his probation conditions. The original plea agreement recited that Simmons would “voluntarily commit himself to the institution of Ms choosing, and that he not remove himself from such institution, save and excepting upon discharge by his attending or supervising psychiatrist.” (Emphasis added.) It was only after Simmons entered the plea that the district court worked out arrangements for Simmons’s admission to the VA Hospital at Sheridan, Wyoming. The district court understood this to mean that once Simmons chose an institution, he could not leave until discharged by the psychiatric staff. Simmons obviously believed he could later “choose” another institution as long as he had the approval of his attending physician.

Under the circumstances, we do not believe this was an unreasonable understanding. The Judgment and Commitment required that Simmons “complete the psychiatric treatment program as recommended by the psychiatric staff.” Taken literally, the probation terms allow the psychiatric staff to “recommend” Simmons’s transfer to another institution. Indeed, this was also the understanding of Simmons’s attending physician, Dr. Murphy, who wrote: “I expect the patient to be discharged, or more likely, transferred to another hospital____” Simmons’s own conduct also gives support to this conclusion. He never attempted to leave. He testified that he knew that Dr. Murphy’s approval would be necessary.

Additionally, Simmons’s probation officer never warned him that threats or insistence on leaving would result in revocation of his probation. We recognize that “[i]n addition to the bare words of the probation condition, the probationer may be guided by the further definition, explanations, or instructions of the district court and the

[*567] probation officer.” United States v. Romero, 676 F.2d 406, 407 (9th Cir.1982); see also United States v. Bonanno, 452 F.Supp. 743, 755 (N.D.Cal.1978), aff'd, 595 F.2d 1229 (9th Cir.1979). However, Simmons was only at the facility one week. At no time did his probation officer provide such a warning.

Probation programs are a valuable component of our criminal justice system. The decision to place a defendant on probation represents a conclusion that the defendant will benefit from supervision and treatment conceived to help that individual become a constructive member of society. Accordingly, the Supreme Court has held that the decision to revoke that probation should not be undertaken lightly. Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 785, 93 S.Ct. at 1761; Morrissey, 408 U.S. at 479-80, 92 S.Ct. at 2599. It should be taken “only as a last resort when treatment has failed or is about to fail.” Gagnon, 411 U.S. at 785, 93 S.Ct. at 1761. In light of the failure to notify Simmons initially, or to warn him subsequently that the instant conduct was proscribed by the terms of his probation, we cannot conclude that such restraint was shown here.

CONCLUSION

We find that Simmons was not provided adequate notice of the terms of his probation. Therefore, we vacate the district court’s order revoking his probation and instruct the court to reinstate Simmons’s probation.

VACATED and REMANDED.

1

. Simmons’s court-appointed counsel filed a brief, pursuant to Anders v. California, 386 U.S. 738, 87 S.Ct. 1396, 18 L.Ed.2d 493 (1967), stating that he saw no issues of arguable merit for direct appeal. Simmons filed a pro se brief. After conducting an independent review of the record on appeal, this court directed the parties to file supplemental briefs addressing the issues discussed in this opinion.

2

. The district court’s Judgment and Commitment stated:

The execution of said sentence of imprisonment is to be suspended and defendant placed on probation for a period of five (5) years upon the defendant’s voluntary commitment to the Veterans Hospital, Sheridan, Wyoming. The defendant’s probation shall be subject to the following terms and conditions:
3. That he voluntarily commit himself for mental health treatment at the Veterans Hospital, Sheridan, Wyoming, and complete the psychiatric treatment program as recommended by the psychiatric staff.
3

. The district court noted, in particular, the following exchange at the sentencing hearing:

THE COURT: ... and that is to state that the judgment of the court is that you are remanded to the custody of the Attorney General for a term of five years, and that five years then is suspended, and you are placed on probation for this five-year period, and the only condition on the probation is that you successfully complete the course of treatment that is ordered for you by the Veterans Administration at Fort Sheridan; is that right? Do I have that accurate?
MR. BARRON: That’s correct.
THE COURT: And you have agreed to that, Mr. Simmons?
MR. SIMMONS: Yes.
THE COURT: And you realize that a violation of that condition would be sufficient to violate the probation?
MR. SIMMONS: Yes, Your Honor.
4

. Miller involved the denial of confrontation at a combined revocation and sentencing hearing. This case involves only probation revocation. Nonetheless, the argument for the use of reliable hearsay is even stronger in a revocation hearing, in which the probationer is entitled to less due process than at a combined hearing. See, e.g., United States v. Segal, 549 F.2d 1293, 1296 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 431 U.S. 919, 97 S.Ct. 2187, 53 L.Ed.2d 231 (1977).

5

. The custodian of records for the hospital certified that the records were true copies of records prepared and maintained in conjunction with the treatment of Simmons.

6

. Simmons testified as follows:

Well, I never said I wanted to leave, actually get up and leave____ I said if I did leave and go to another hospital I would want to make sure it was okay for the doctors and my probation officer---- [T]he next day, they called me in and asked me if I was aiming to leave, and I told them no — I said I was thinking about maybe going to a private hospital and see if I needed long-term or short-term treatment. There were three people in the meeting that I can remember, Dr. Murphy, Dr. Will Banks and the head nurse of the unit, and they told me: "It is our understanding that you either be here at this hospital or go into the federal prison." Said that I had no choice of any other hospital. I said I couldn't see it that way, because I said as long as my probation officer — it was okay with him and okay with the doctor, I could be transferred to a private hospital and receive treatment.