47 South Carolina opinions name it 2 courts 1984–2023 1 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by South Carolina courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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State v. Ramseygreen2 sentences2017“Where identification is concerned, the general rule is that a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001). 2017“Where identification is concerned, the general rule is that a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001). | 8 | 8 |
State v. Simmonsgreen2 sentences2012See State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001) (holding that generally, a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as a person who committed the crime and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation); State v. Simmons, 308 S.C. 80 , 417 S.E.2d 92 (1992) (same); see also Rule 104(c), SCRE (providing that “[h]earings on the admissibility of ... pretrial identifications of an accused shall in all cases be conducted out of 2012See State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001) (holding that generally, a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as a person who committed the crime and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation); State v. Simmons, 308 S.C. 80 , 417 S.E.2d 92 (1992) (same); see also Rule 104(c), SCRE (providing that “[h]earings on the admissibility of ... pretrial identifications of an accused shall in all cases be conducted out of | 6 | 9 |
State v. Williamsgreen2 sentences2003Thus, our supreme court has "adopted a per se rule requiring the court to hold an in camera hearing when the state offers witnesses whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous illegal identification." Id. at 116 , 561 S.E.2d at 626 (citing State v. Williams, 258 S.C. 482, 485 , 189 S.E.2d 299, 300 (1972); State v. Simmons, 308 S.C. 80, 82-83 , 417 S.E.2d 92, 93 (1992); State v. Cash, 257 S.C. 249 , 185 S.E.2d 525 (1971)); see also State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S 2003Thus, our supreme court has "adopted a per se rule requiring the court to hold an in camera hearing when the state offers witnesses whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous illegal identification." Id. at 116 , 561 S.E.2d at 626 (citing State v. Williams, 258 S.C. 482, 485 , 189 S.E.2d 299, 300 (1972); State v. Simmons, 308 S.C. 80, 82-83 , 417 S.E.2d 92, 93 (1992); State v. Cash, 257 S.C. 249 , 185 S.E.2d 525 (1971)); see also State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S | 3 | 4 |
State v. Burtongreen2 sentences2017Issues not raised and ruled upon in the trial court will not be considered on appeal."); State v. Schumpert, 312 S.C. 502, 507 , 435 S.E.2d 859, 862 (1993) ("A ruling in limine is not a final ruling on the admissibility of evidence."); id. ("Unless an objection is made at the time the evidence is offered and a final ruling made, the issue is not preserved for review."); State v. Burton, 326 S.C. 605, 613 , 486 S.E.2d 762, 766 (Ct. App. 1997) (holding a ruling made during an in camera hearing to determine the admissibility of the victim's sister's testimony was not sufficient to preserve the is 2017Issues not raised and ruled upon in the trial court will not be considered on appeal."); State v. Schumpert, 312 S.C. 502, 507 , 435 S.E.2d 859, 862 (1993) ("A ruling in limine is not a final ruling on the admissibility of evidence."); id. ("Unless an objection is made at the time the evidence is offered and a final ruling made, the issue is not preserved for review."); State v. Burton, 326 S.C. 605, 613 , 486 S.E.2d 762, 766 (Ct. App. 1997) (holding a ruling made during an in camera hearing to determine the admissibility of the victim's sister's testimony was not sufficient to preserve the is | 3 | 3 |
State v. Millergreen2 sentences2012Our courts now consistently recognize the general rule that a trial court must, when identification of a defendant is an issue, hold an in camera hearing “when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Miller, 359 S.C. 589, 596 , 598 S.E.2d 297, 301 (Ct.App. 2004) (emphasis added), aff'd, 367 S.C. 329 , 626 S.E.2d 328 (2006). 2012Our courts now consistently recognize the general rule that a trial court must, when identification of a defendant is an issue, hold an in camera hearing “when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Miller, 359 S.C. 589, 596 , 598 S.E.2d 297, 301 (Ct.App. 2004) (emphasis added), aff'd, 367 S.C. 329 , 626 S.E.2d 328 (2006). | 3 | 3 |
State v. Wilsongreen2 sentences2001See State v. Wilson, 337 S.C. 629 , 524 S.E.2d 411 (Ct.App.1999), rev’d on other grounds by, State v. Wilson, 345 S.C. 1 , 545 S.E.2d 827 (holding that a contemporaneous objection to the introduction of testimonial evidence was not required to preserve the issue for appellate review where the trial court made its final evidentiary ruling following an in camera hearing); see also State v. Pace, 316 S.C. 71 , 447 S.E.2d 186 (1994) (excusing the failure to make a contemporaneous objection where the judge’s comments are such that any objection would be futile). 2001See State v. Wilson, 337 S.C. 629 , 524 S.E.2d 411 (Ct.App.1999), rev'd on other grounds by, State v. Wilson, 345 *440 S.C. 1, 545 S.E.2d 827 (holding that a contemporaneous objection to the introduction of testimonial evidence was not required to preserve the issue for appellate review where the trial court made its final evidentiary ruling following an in camera hearing); see also State v. Pace, 316 S.C. 71 , 447 S.E.2d 186 (1994) (excusing the failure to make a contemporaneous objection where the judge's comments are such that any objection would be futile). | 2 | 2 |
State v. Schumpertgreen2 sentences2017Issues not raised and ruled upon in the trial court will not be considered on appeal."); State v. Schumpert, 312 S.C. 502, 507 , 435 S.E.2d 859, 862 (1993) ("A ruling in limine is not a final ruling on the admissibility of evidence."); id. ("Unless an objection is made at the time the evidence is offered and a final ruling made, the issue is not preserved for review."); State v. Burton, 326 S.C. 605, 613 , 486 S.E.2d 762, 766 (Ct. App. 1997) (holding a ruling made during an in camera hearing to determine the admissibility of the victim's sister's testimony was not sufficient to preserve the is 2017Issues not raised and ruled upon in the trial court will not be considered on appeal."); State v. Schumpert, 312 S.C. 502, 507 , 435 S.E.2d 859, 862 (1993) ("A ruling in limine is not a final ruling on the admissibility of evidence."); id. ("Unless an objection is made at the time the evidence is offered and a final ruling made, the issue is not preserved for review."); State v. Burton, 326 S.C. 605, 613 , 486 S.E.2d 762, 766 (Ct. App. 1997) (holding a ruling made during an in camera hearing to determine the admissibility of the victim's sister's testimony was not sufficient to preserve the is | 2 | 2 |
State v. Cheathamgreen2 sentences2003In the recent case of State v. Cheatham, 349 S.C. 101 , 561 S.E.2d 618 (Ct.App.2002), we held: Where there is an issue as to whether or not an in-court identification by a witness is of independent origin and based upon observations of a suspect other than in the *237 course of any improper confrontation or line-up, the defendant is entitled to an in camera hearing. 2003In the recent case of State v. Cheatham, 349 S.C. 101 , 561 S.E.2d 618 (Ct.App.2002), we held: Where there is an issue as to whether or not an in-court identification by a witness is of independent origin and based upon observations of a suspect other than in the *237 course of any improper confrontation or line-up, the defendant is entitled to an in camera hearing. | 1 | 5 |
State v. Silvergreen2 sentences2006See State v. Silver, 314 S.C. 483, 487 , 431 S.E.2d 250, 252 (1993) (holding that the court of appeals improperly treated the trial court’s denial of an in camera hearing on the issue of whether defendant was in custody and entitled to Miranda warnings as the denial of a Jackson v. Denno hearing on the voluntariness of defendant’s statement). 2006See State v. Silver, 314 S.C. 483, 487 , 431 S.E.2d 250, 252 (1993) (holding that the court of appeals improperly treated the trial court’s denial of an in camera hearing on the issue of whether defendant was in custody and entitled to Miranda warnings as the denial of a Jackson v. Denno hearing on the voluntariness of defendant’s statement). | 1 | 3 |
State v. Smithgreen2 sentences2010The rulings of the trial judge in the court below having eventuated in no binding adjudication of the rights of the parties, the appeal is prematurely brought, and jurisdiction thereof may not be entertained."); State v. Smith , 336 S.C. 39, 43-44 , 518 S.E.2d 294, 296-97 (Ct. App. 1999) (concluding circuit court judge erred by refusing to allow defendant to present new identification testimony during a retrial given the first trial ended in a mistrial and, thus, was nugatory; remanding case to the circuit court for an in camera hearing to determine whether identification testimony should be s 2010The rulings of the trial judge in the court below having eventuated in no binding adjudication of the rights of the parties, the appeal is prematurely brought, and jurisdiction thereof may not be entertained."); State v. Smith , 336 S.C. 39, 43-44 , 518 S.E.2d 294, 296-97 (Ct. App. 1999) (concluding circuit court judge erred by refusing to allow defendant to present new identification testimony during a retrial given the first trial ended in a mistrial and, thus, was nugatory; remanding case to the circuit court for an in camera hearing to determine whether identification testimony should be s | 1 | 2 |
Delaware v. Van Arsdallgreen2 sentences2006The judge responded with propriety and alacrity when the tape of the in camera hearing was inadvertently played for the jury. “[T]he Constitution entitles a criminal defendant to a fair trial, not a perfect one.” State v. Mitchell, 330 S.C. 189, 199-200 , 498 S.E.2d 642, 647-48 (1998) (quoting Delaware v. Van Arsdall, 475 U.S. 673, 681 , 106 S.Ct. 1431, 1436 , 89 L.Ed.2d 674 (1986)). 2006The judge responded with propriety and alacrity when the tape of the in camera hearing was inadvertently played for the jury. “[T]he Constitution entitles a criminal defendant to a fair trial, not a perfect one.” State v. Mitchell, 330 S.C. 189, 199-200 , 498 S.E.2d 642, 647-48 (1998) (quoting Delaware v. Van Arsdall, 475 U.S. 673, 681 , 106 S.Ct. 1431, 1436 , 89 L.Ed.2d 674 (1986)). | 1 | 2 |
Kentucky v. Stincergreen1 sentence2023Generally, "a defendant is guaranteed the right to be present at any stage of the criminal proceeding that is critical to its outcome if his presence would contribute to the fairness of the procedure." Kentucky v. Stincer, 482 U.S. 730, 745 (1987) (concluding, in another context, that a criminal defendant did not establish his presence would have been useful or beneficial during a competency hearing). | 1 | 1 |
Herron v. CENTURY BMWgreen2 sentences2023See, e.g., Herron v. Century BMW, 395 S.C. 461, 465 , 719 S.E.2d 640, 642 (2011) ("At a minimum, issue preservation requires that an issue be raised to and ruled upon by the trial judge."). 2023See, e.g., Herron v. Century BMW, 395 S.C. 461, 465 , 719 S.E.2d 640, 642 (2011) ("At a minimum, issue preservation requires that an issue be raised to and ruled upon by the trial judge."). | 1 | 1 |
State v. Forrestergreen1 sentence2017See id. at 642-43, 541 S.E.2d at 837, 840 (finding no contemporaneous objection was necessary because the trial court had denied the motion in limine immediately before the witness testified). | 1 | 1 |
State v. Dunbargreen2 sentences2017See **115 State v. Dunbar , 356 S.C. 138 , 142, 587 S.E.2d 691 , 693-94 (2003) ("In order for an issue to be preserved for appellate review, it must have been raised to and ruled upon by the [circuit court]. 2017See **115 State v. Dunbar , 356 S.C. 138 , 142, 587 S.E.2d 691 , 693-94 (2003) ("In order for an issue to be preserved for appellate review, it must have been raised to and ruled upon by the [circuit court]. | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Carlsongreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Blackgreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Johnsongreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Hoffmangreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Mitchellgreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Ervingreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Wilsongreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Pacegreen | 1 | 1 |
| Davis v. Alaskagreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Dinkinsgreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Byramgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Rhode Island v. Innisgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Edwards v. Arizonagreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Simsgreen | 1 | 1 |
| Greenville Memorial Auditorium v. Martingreen | 1 | 1 |
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| No negative-treatment citations attached to this issue in South Carolina. Read the followed side critically anyway. | ||
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State v. Cash
green
2 sentences2004We agree. *596 South Carolina courts have consistently held that when identification of a defendant is at issue, “the general rule is that a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001) (citing State v. Cash, 257 S.C. 249 , 185 S.E.2d 525 (1971)). 2004We agree. *596 South Carolina courts have consistently held that when identification of a defendant is at issue, “the general rule is that a trial court must hold an in camera hearing when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001) (citing State v. Cash, 257 S.C. 249 , 185 S.E.2d 525 (1971)). | 7 | 1992–2005 |
Jackson v. Denno
green
2 sentences2003After an in camera hearing held pursuant to Jackson v. Denno , 378 U.S. 368 , 84 S. Ct. 1774 , 12 L.Ed. 2d 908 (1964), the trial judge ruled the May 5th statement was admissible. 2003After an in camera hearing held pursuant to Jackson v. Denno , 378 U.S. 368 , 84 S. Ct. 1774 , 12 L.Ed. 2d 908 (1964), the trial judge ruled the May 5th statement was admissible. | 4 | 1985–2003 |
State v. Wallace
red
2 sentences2018After hearing testimony from both children, the trial court decided to allow Minor 2 to testify pursuant to State v. Wallace , 384 S.C. 428 , 683 S.E.2d 275 (2009). 2 **494 At trial, Minor 1 testified to six incidents involving Perez. 2018After hearing testimony from both children, the trial court decided to allow Minor 2 to testify pursuant to State v. Wallace , 384 S.C. 428 , 683 S.E.2d 275 (2009). 2 **494 At trial, Minor 1 testified to six incidents involving Perez. | 2 | 2018–2018 |
State v. Miller
green
2 sentences2012Our courts now consistently recognize the general rule that a trial court must, when identification of a defendant is an issue, hold an in camera hearing “when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Miller, 359 S.C. 589, 596 , 598 S.E.2d 297, 301 (Ct.App. 2004) (emphasis added), aff'd, 367 S.C. 329 , 626 S.E.2d 328 (2006). 2012Our courts now consistently recognize the general rule that a trial court must, when identification of a defendant is an issue, hold an in camera hearing “when the State offers a witness whose testimony identifies the defendant as the person who committed the crime, and the defendant challenges the in-court identification as being tainted by a previous, illegal identification or confrontation.” State v. Miller, 359 S.C. 589, 596 , 598 S.E.2d 297, 301 (Ct.App. 2004) (emphasis added), aff'd, 367 S.C. 329 , 626 S.E.2d 328 (2006). | 2 | 2009–2012 |
Neil v. Biggers
green
2 sentences2009Whether the trial judge committed reversible error by refusing to conduct an in camera hearing pursuant to Neil v. Biggers, 409 U.S. 188 , 93 S.Ct. 375 , 34 L.Ed.2d 401 (1972) and Rule 104(c), SCRE, on the reliability of Tyrone’s identification of appellant as the shooter, especially in light of the fact Tyrone had incorrectly identified appellant as a participant in an earlier incident shortly before the shooting, and his identification of appellant as the triggerman was the product of an inherently suggestive show-up conducted by the police after appellant was arrested. 2. 2009Whether the trial judge committed reversible error by refusing to conduct an in camera hearing pursuant to Neil v. Biggers, 409 U.S. 188 , 93 S.Ct. 375 , 34 L.Ed.2d 401 (1972) and Rule 104(c), SCRE, on the reliability of Tyrone’s identification of appellant as the shooter, especially in light of the fact Tyrone had incorrectly identified appellant as a participant in an earlier incident shortly before the shooting, and his identification of appellant as the triggerman was the product of an inherently suggestive show-up conducted by the police after appellant was arrested. 2. | 2 | 2007–2009 |
Watkins v. Sowders
green
2 sentences2002Contra Watkins v. [Sowders], 449 U.S. 341 , 101 S.Ct. 654 , 66 L.Ed.2d 549 (1981). 2002Contra Watkins v. [Sowders], 449 U.S. 341 , 101 S.Ct. 654 , 66 L.Ed.2d 549 (1981). | 2 | 1992–2002 |
State v. Silver
green
2 sentences1996Cf. State v. Silver, 314 S.C. 483 , 431 S.E.2d 250 (1993), aff'g as modified 307 S.C. 326 , 414 S.E.2d 813 (Ct.App.1992) (holding it was error to consider defendant’s voluntariness argument on appeal as a Jackson v. Denno situation where defendant moved for an in camera hearing at trial on the issue of custody and whether he had received Miranda warnings rather than on the issue of voluntariness). 1996Cf. State v. Silver, 314 S.C. 483 , 431 S.E.2d 250 (1993), aff'g as modified 307 S.C. 326 , 414 S.E.2d 813 (Ct.App.1992) (holding it was error to consider defendant’s voluntariness argument on appeal as a Jackson v. Denno situation where defendant moved for an in camera hearing at trial on the issue of custody and whether he had received Miranda warnings rather than on the issue of voluntariness). | 2 | 1996–1998 |
Hoffman v. United States
green
1 sentence2023In concluding a witness could refuse to answer questions, the United States Supreme Court in Hoffman explained, "To sustain the privilege, it need only be evident from the implications of the question, in the setting in which it is asked, that a responsive answer to the question or an explanation of why it cannot be answered might be dangerous because injurious disclosure could result." 341 U.S. at 486–87 (emphasis added). | 1 | 2023–2023 |
State v. Anderson
green
1 sentence2016Id. | 1 | 2016–2016 |
Cherry v. State
green
1 sentence2013We disagree. 10 The purpose of an in camera hearing when the State offers identification witnesses- is for the trial court to decide “whether the in-court identification was of independent origin or was the tainted product of the circumstances surrounding the prior, out-of-court identification.” Id. (citing State v. Ramsey, 345 S.C. 607, 613 , 550 S.E.2d 294, 297 (2001)). | 1 | 2013–2013 |
Perry v. New Hampshire
green
2 sentences2012Following the court of appeals’ decision, the United States Supreme Court issued its opinion in Perry v. New Hampshire, 565 U.S. -, 132 S.Ct. 716 , 181 L.Ed.2d 694 (2012), in which the Supreme Court made clear that due process requires a trial court to conduct a preliminary assessment of the reliability of an eyewitness identification made under suggestive circumstances arranged by law enforcement. 2012Following the court of appeals’ decision, the United States Supreme Court issued its opinion in Perry v. New Hampshire, 565 U.S. -, 132 S.Ct. 716 , 181 L.Ed.2d 694 (2012), in which the Supreme Court made clear that due process requires a trial court to conduct a preliminary assessment of the reliability of an eyewitness identification made under suggestive circumstances arranged by law enforcement. | 1 | 2012–2012 |
State v. Williams
green
2 sentences2012After a thorough review of the record and counsel's brief pursuant to Anders v. California, 386 U.S. 738 (1967), and State v. Williams, 305 S.C. 116 , 406 S.E.2d 357 (1991), we dismiss the appeal and grant counsel's motion to be relieved.1 APPEAL DISMISSED. 2012After a thorough review of the record and counsel's brief pursuant to Anders v. California, 386 U.S. 738 (1967), and State v. Williams, 305 S.C. 116 , 406 S.E.2d 357 (1991), we dismiss the appeal and grant counsel's motion to be relieved.1 APPEAL DISMISSED. | 1 | 2012–2012 |
Anders v. California
green
1 sentence2012After a thorough review of the record and counsel's brief pursuant to Anders v. California, 386 U.S. 738 (1967), and State v. Williams, 305 S.C. 116 , 406 S.E.2d 357 (1991), we dismiss the appeal and grant counsel's motion to be relieved.1 APPEAL DISMISSED. | 1 | 2012–2012 |
State v. Byrd
green
2 sentences2012See Ramsey, 345 S.C. at 613 , 550 S.E.2d at 297 (“The purpose of the in camera hearing is to determine whether the in-court identification was of independent origin or was the tainted product of the circumstances surrounding the prior, out-of-court identification.”); State v. Byrd, 40 N.C.App. 172 , 252 S.E.2d 279 (1979) (finding no prejudicial error in failing to hold a voir dire hearing where evidence indicated eyewitness had known defendant for five or six years, recognized him at the scene, and gave his description to an officer before a show-up, the. eyewitness’s in-court identification o 2012See Ramsey, 345 S.C. at 613 , 550 S.E.2d at 297 (“The purpose of the in camera hearing is to determine whether the in-court identification was of independent origin or was the tainted product of the circumstances surrounding the prior, out-of-court identification.”); State v. Byrd, 40 N.C.App. 172 , 252 S.E.2d 279 (1979) (finding no prejudicial error in failing to hold a voir dire hearing where evidence indicated eyewitness had known defendant for five or six years, recognized him at the scene, and gave his description to an officer before a show-up, the. eyewitness’s in-court identification o | 1 | 2012–2012 |
People v. Clark
green
2 sentences2012Heller additionally cites the California case of People v. Clark, 3 Cal.4th 41 , 10 Cal.Rptr.2d 554 , 833 P.2d 561 (1992), for the proposition that the trial court erred in failing to hold an in camera hearing on the voice identification evidence. 2012Heller additionally cites the California case of People v. Clark, 3 Cal.4th 41 , 10 Cal.Rptr.2d 554 , 833 P.2d 561 (1992), for the proposition that the trial court erred in failing to hold an in camera hearing on the voice identification evidence. | 1 | 2012–2012 |
| State v. McLeod green | 1 | 2012–2012 |
| State v. Patterson green | 1 | 2006–2006 |
| Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, Inc. green | 1 | 1999–1999 |
| State v. Chapman green | 1 | 1996–1996 |
| Powers v. Ohio green | 1 | 1996–1996 |
| United States v. Wade green | 1 | 1992–1992 |
| State v. Adams green | 1 | 1984–1984 |
Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.