66 Washington opinions name it 2 courts 1976–2025 12 in the last five years
The cases below were cited by Washington courts in a sentence that names this issue. Sides come from how each citing opinion treated the case (Syfertize flag on that citation), so a case can appear on both: that is where the law is contested. A red or yellow chip is the case's own overall treatment.
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State v. Gainesgreen2 sentences2025The independent source exception is a related doctrine and allows that “evidence tainted by unlawful governmental action is not subject to suppression . . . provided that it ultimately is obtained pursuant to a valid warrant or other lawful means.” Gaines, 154 Wn.2d at 718 . 2024State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (recognizing the independent source exception); Mayfield, 192 Wn.2d 871 (recognizing the attenuation doctrine, albeit in a narrower form than the federal rule). | 6 | 34 |
State v. Gainesgreen2 sentences2024State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (recognizing the independent source exception); Mayfield, 192 Wn.2d 871 (recognizing the attenuation doctrine, albeit in a narrower form than the federal rule). 2023Under the independent source doctrine, evidence obtained through an unconstitutional search may nonetheless be admissible if it is “ultimately obtained . . . pursuant to a valid warrant or other lawful means independent of the unlawful action.” State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711, 718 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005). | 4 | 25 |
State v. Wintersteingreen2 sentences2019Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d at 634 , 220 P.3d 1226 . ¶ 39 Some cases applying the independent source doctrine have held that even though official misconduct was arguably a "but for" cause of the discovery of evidence, the evidence was nevertheless admissible. 2019State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169 , 179-84, 233 P.3d 879 (2010) (rejecting the good faith exception); State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 631-36, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009) (rejecting the inevitable discovery doctrine); State v. Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 717-22, 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (adopting the independent source doctrine). | 4 | 12 |
Murray v. United Statesgreen2 sentences2021Ed. 2d 472 (1988)). 15 Id. 7 No. 80963-6-I/8 Martinez-Castro challenges seven findings of fact related to the independent source doctrine. 2018Murray v. United States, 487 U.S. 533 , 537, 108 S.Ct. 2529 , 101 L.Ed. 2d 472 (1988) (quoting Nix v. Williams, 467 U.S. 431 , 443, 104 S.Ct. 2501 , 81 L.Ed. 2d 377 (1984) ). ¶ 16 In applying the independent source doctrine, the determinative question is whether the challenged evidence was discovered through a source independent from the initial illegality. | 3 | 17 |
State v. Coatesgreen2 sentences2011State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1, 12 , 653 P.2d 1024 (1982). ¶ 12 The State points out that this court has recognized exceptions to Washington's exclusionary rule, such as the independent source exception, which this court has recognized in State v. Coates, 107 Wash.2d 882, 887 , 735 P.2d 64 (1987), and Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 . 2011State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1, 12 , 653 P.2d 1024 (1982). ¶ 12 The State points out that this court has recognized exceptions to Washington's exclusionary rule, such as the independent source exception, which this court has recognized in State v. Coates, 107 Wash.2d 882, 887 , 735 P.2d 64 (1987), and Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 . | 3 | 11 |
State v. Milesgreen2 sentences2023Miles rejected a standard a lower court had apparently applied for evaluating the motivation prong of the independent source doctrine in which the lower court analyzed whether “the State would have come upon the evidence other than from referral by the Securities Division after its flawed investigation.” Id. at 289-90 . 2023The independent source doctrine does not rest upon such metaphysical analysis, but upon the policy that, while the government should not profit from its illegal activity, neither should it be placed in a worse position than it would have otherwise occupied.’ ” 159 Wn. | 2 | 9 |
State v. Smithgreen2 sentences2011Gaines, 154 Wash.2d at 717-18, 722 , 116 P.3d 993 ; see Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d at 634, 220 P.3d 1226 ; see also State v. Smith, 113 Wash.App. 846, 856 , 55 P.3d 686 (2002), review denied, 149 Wash.2d 1014 , 69 P.3d 876 (2003). ¶ 29 Under the independent source doctrine, evidence tainted by unlawful government action is not subject to suppression under the exclusionary rule if officers ultimately obtain it using "a valid warrant or other lawful means independent of the unlawful action." Gaines, 154 Wash.2d at 718 , 116 P.3d 993 (emphasis added); State v. Hilton, 164 Wash.App. 81 , ___, 261 P. 2005Division Three recently cited Richman and Ludvik for the proposition that “the independent source doctrine, like the inevitable discovery doctrine, does not offend the protections of article I, section 7.” State v. Smith, 113 Wn. | 2 | 7 |
State v. Afanagreen2 sentences2019State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169 , 179-84, 233 P.3d 879 (2010) (rejecting the good faith exception); State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 631-36, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009) (rejecting the inevitable discovery doctrine); State v. Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 717-22, 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (adopting the independent source doctrine). 2011See also State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169, 181 , 233 P.3d 879 (2010). ¶ 39 The State cites to factually analogous federal cases to argue the independent source exception applies. | 2 | 5 |
State v. Afanagreen2 sentences2019State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169 , 179-84, 233 P.3d 879 (2010) (rejecting the good faith exception); State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 631-36, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009) (rejecting the inevitable discovery doctrine); State v. Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 717-22, 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (adopting the independent source doctrine). 2011See also State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169, 181 , 233 P.3d 879 (2010). ¶ 39 The State cites to factually analogous federal cases to argue the independent source exception applies. | 2 | 5 |
State v. Ludvikgreen2 sentences2005Division Three recently cited Richman and Ludvik for the proposition that "the independent source doctrine, like the inevitable discovery doctrine, does not offend the protections of article 1, section 7." State v. Smith, 113 Wash.App. 846, 856 , 55 P.3d 686 (2002) (citing Richman, 85 Wash.App. at 576-77 , 933 P.2d 1088 ; Ludvik, 40 Wash.App. at 263 , 698 P.2d 1064 ), review denied, 149 Wash.2d 1014 , 69 P.3d 876 (2003). 2005Division Three recently cited Richman and Ludvik for the proposition that "the independent source doctrine, like the inevitable discovery doctrine, does not offend the protections of article 1, section 7." State v. Smith, 113 Wash.App. 846, 856 , 55 P.3d 686 (2002) (citing Richman, 85 Wash.App. at 576-77 , 933 P.2d 1088 ; Ludvik, 40 Wash.App. at 263 , 698 P.2d 1064 ), review denied, 149 Wash.2d 1014 , 69 P.3d 876 (2003). | 2 | 5 |
| Moloney v. Boatmen's Bankgreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. Bruce A. Muldergreen | 2 | 2 |
| United States v. D.K. Johnsongreen | 2 | 2 |
| State v. Whitegreen | 2 | 2 |
| State v. Warnergreen | 2 | 2 |
State v. Betancourthgreen2 sentences2024If the illegally obtained information did not affect the court’s decision to issue the warrant or the decision of the state agents to seek the warrant, then the evidence is “admissible through the lawful warrant under the independent source doctrine.” Betancourth, 190 Wn.2d at 365 . 2024This result aligns with our holding on the independent source doctrine in State v. Betancourth, though not precisely with our attenuation doctrine. 190 Wn.2d 357 , 413 P.3d 566 (2018). | 1 | 11 |
State v. Wintersteingreen2 sentences2019Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d at 634 , 220 P.3d 1226 . ¶ 39 Some cases applying the independent source doctrine have held that even though official misconduct was arguably a "but for" cause of the discovery of evidence, the evidence was nevertheless admissible. 2019State v. Afana, 169 Wash.2d 169 , 179-84, 233 P.3d 879 (2010) (rejecting the good faith exception); State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 631-36, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009) (rejecting the inevitable discovery doctrine); State v. Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 717-22, 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (adopting the independent source doctrine). | 1 | 8 |
State v. Smithgreen2 sentences2011App. 846, 856 , 55 P.3d 686 (2002), review denied, 149 Wn.2d 1014 (2003). ¶29 Under the independent source doctrine, evidence tainted by unlawful government action is not subject to suppression under the exclusionary rule if officers ultimately obtain it using “a valid warrant or other lawful means independent of the unlawful action.” Gaines, 154 Wn.2d at 718 (emphasis added); State v. Hilton, 164 Wn. 2011Gaines, 154 Wash.2d at 717-18, 722 , 116 P.3d 993 ; see Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d at 634, 220 P.3d 1226 ; see also State v. Smith, 113 Wash.App. 846, 856 , 55 P.3d 686 (2002), review denied, 149 Wash.2d 1014 , 69 P.3d 876 (2003). ¶ 29 Under the independent source doctrine, evidence tainted by unlawful government action is not subject to suppression under the exclusionary rule if officers ultimately obtain it using "a valid warrant or other lawful means independent of the unlawful action." Gaines, 154 Wash.2d at 718 , 116 P.3d 993 (emphasis added); State v. Hilton, 164 Wash.App. 81 , ___, 261 P. | 1 | 6 |
State v. Richmangreen2 sentences2005We noted that there was “no principled difference between the inevitable discovery rule and the independent source doctrine.” Richman, 85 Wn. 2005We noted that there was "no principled difference between the inevitable discovery rule and the independent source doctrine." Richman, 85 Wash.App. at 576 , 933 P.2d 1088 . | 1 | 6 |
State v. Hiltongreen2 sentences2021App. 81, 89 , 261 P.3d 683 (2011) (citing State v. Hill, 123 Wn.2d 641, 644 , 870 P.2d 313 (1994)). 6 No. 80963-6-I/7 undisputed evidence from the record.10 We treat unchallenged findings as verities on appeal and review conclusions of law de novo.11 Evidence obtained from an illegal search and seizure is “subject to suppression under the exclusionary rule” unless an exception to the exclusionary rule applies.12 One of the “well-established” exceptions to the exclusionary rule is the independent source doctrine.13 In applying the independent source doctrine, the determinative question is wheth 2021To determine whether challenged evidence truly has an independent source, courts ask whether the illegally obtained information affected (1) the magistrate’s decision to issue the warrant, or (2) the decision of the state agents to seek the warrant.[14] But where the “illegal search in no way contributed to the issuance of the warrant and police would have sought the warrant even absent the initial illegality, then the evidence is admissible through the lawful warrant under the independent source doctrine.”15 10In re LaBelle, 107 Wn.2d 196, 219 , 728 P.2d 138 (1986) (citing State v. Holland, 9 | 1 | 5 |
State v. Smithgreen2 sentences2013The Court of Appeals agreed with the State that “the victims’ testimonies were admissible under the independent source exception because the emergency aid and community care-taking exceptions acted as intervening factors.” State v. Smith, 165 Wn. 2013See id. ¶15 Judge Armstrong disagreed that the State could rely on the independent source doctrine, noting that “absent the initial, unlawful search of the motel guest registry, the officers had no independent basis for knocking on Smith’s door.... | 1 | 3 |
State v. Rothenbergergreen2 sentences2019For instance, in Rothenberger , the defendant was a passenger in a car that was allegedly unlawfully stopped by police. 73 Wash.2d at 597 , 440 P.2d 184 . 2019For instance, in Rothenberger , the defendant was a passenger in a car that was allegedly unlawfully stopped by police. 73 Wash.2d at 597 , 440 P.2d 184 . | 1 | 2 |
| State v. Earlygreen | 1 | 2 |
| State v. O'BREMSKIgreen | 1 | 2 |
| Segura v. United Statesgreen | 1 | 1 |
| State v. Coristinegreen | 1 | 1 |
| Utah v. Strieffgreen | 1 | 1 |
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State v. Coatesgreen2 sentences2011State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1, 12 , 653 P.2d 1024 (1982). ¶ 12 The State points out that this court has recognized exceptions to Washington's exclusionary rule, such as the independent source exception, which this court has recognized in State v. Coates, 107 Wash.2d 882, 887 , 735 P.2d 64 (1987), and Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 . 2011State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1, 12 , 653 P.2d 1024 (1982). ¶ 12 The State points out that this court has recognized exceptions to Washington's exclusionary rule, such as the independent source exception, which this court has recognized in State v. Coates, 107 Wash.2d 882, 887 , 735 P.2d 64 (1987), and Gaines, 154 Wash.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 . | 2 | 11 |
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Silverthorne Lumber Co. v. United States
green
2 sentences2019While the independent source doctrine applies only where the evidence was obtained through a source completely independent *892 of official misconduct, the attenuation doctrine was applied where "[s]ophisticated argument may prove a causal connection between" official misconduct and the discovery of evidence, but the connection was "so attenuated as to dissipate the taint." Id. ¶ 45 Historically, the attenuation doctrine required intervening circumstances that truly severed the chain of causation. 2011Silverthorne, 251 U.S. at 392 , 40 S.Ct. 182 . ¶ 22 In Gaines , our supreme court recognized the independent source doctrine as a long-accepted exception to the exclusionary rule, but for the first time, expressly addressed whether the independent source exception violates article 1, section 7 of our state constitution. | 6 | 2005–2024 |
Nix v. Williams
green
2 sentences2018Murray v. United States, 487 U.S. 533 , 537, 108 S.Ct. 2529 , 101 L.Ed. 2d 472 (1988) (quoting Nix v. Williams, 467 U.S. 431 , 443, 104 S.Ct. 2501 , 81 L.Ed. 2d 377 (1984) ). ¶ 16 In applying the independent source doctrine, the determinative question is whether the challenged evidence was discovered through a source independent from the initial illegality. 2018Murray v. United States, 487 U.S. 533 , 537, 108 S.Ct. 2529 , 101 L.Ed. 2d 472 (1988) (quoting Nix v. Williams, 467 U.S. 431 , 443, 104 S.Ct. 2501 , 81 L.Ed. 2d 377 (1984) ). ¶ 16 In applying the independent source doctrine, the determinative question is whether the challenged evidence was discovered through a source independent from the initial illegality. | 5 | 2000–2018 |
State v. Miles
green
2 sentences2019App. 282, 294, 296-97 , 244 P.3d 1030 (2011). 12 75 Wn.2d 62 , 448 P.2d 938 (1968). 13 Redmond, 75 Wn.2d at 64-66 . -8- No. 76716-0-I / 9 A warrant affidavit that contains illegally obtained information is not per se invalid if it contains facts independent of the illegally obtained information sufficient to establish probable cause.14 This inquiry under the first prong of the independent source doctrine is similar to that under Franks, which allows a court to consider whether probable cause exists only after striking any reference to information gained from any illegal search.15 "Probable cau 2018Miles, 159 Wash. App. at 290 , 244 P.3d 1030 . | 4 | 2011–2019 |
State v. Smith
neutral
2 sentences2013App. 296, 309 , 266 P.3d 250 (2011). ¶13 Under the independent source doctrine, an unlawful search does not result in the suppression of evidence ultimately obtained using “a valid warrant or other lawful means independent of the unlawful action.” State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711, 718 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005). 2013App. 296, 310 , 266 P.3d 250 (2011) (citation omitted), aff’d, 177 Wn.2d 533 , 303 P.3d 1047 (2013). 9 ¶21 We hold that the receipts are not admissible under the independent source doctrine. | 4 | 2013–2013 |
State v. Mayfield
green
2 sentences2024State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (recognizing the independent source exception); Mayfield, 192 Wn.2d 871 (recognizing the attenuation doctrine, albeit in a narrower form than the federal rule). 2024State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005) (recognizing the independent source exception); Mayfield, 192 Wn.2d 871 (recognizing the attenuation doctrine, albeit in a narrower form than the federal rule). | 3 | 2021–2024 |
State v. O'Neill
green
2 sentences2018State v. O'Neill, 148 Wash.2d 564 , 571, 62 P.3d 489 (2003). ¶ 13 The dispute in this case is over the scope of the independent source doctrine, an exception to the exclusionary rule recognized under article I, section 7. 2013Winterstein, 167 Wn.2d at 636 (inevitable discovery doctrine incompatible with article I, section 7); State v. O’Neill, 148 Wn.2d 564, 592 , 62 P.3d 489 (2003) (inevitable discovery exception would create no incentive for State to comply with article I, section 7). | 3 | 2013–2018 |
State v. Bonds
green
2 sentences2018State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1 , 11-12, 653 P.2d 1024 (1982) ; State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 632, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009). ¶ 15 The independent source doctrine is a well-established exception to the exclusionary rule. 2018State v. Bonds, 98 Wash.2d 1 , 11-12, 653 P.2d 1024 (1982) ; State v. Winterstein, 167 Wash.2d 620 , 632, 220 P.3d 1226 (2009). ¶ 15 The independent source doctrine is a well-established exception to the exclusionary rule. | 3 | 2011–2018 |
State v. O'NEILL
green
2 sentences2018State v. O'Neill, 148 Wash.2d 564 , 571, 62 P.3d 489 (2003). ¶ 13 The dispute in this case is over the scope of the independent source doctrine, an exception to the exclusionary rule recognized under article I, section 7. 2013Winterstein, 167 Wn.2d at 636 (inevitable discovery doctrine incompatible with article I, section 7); State v. O’Neill, 148 Wn.2d 564, 592 , 62 P.3d 489 (2003) (inevitable discovery exception would create no incentive for State to comply with article I, section 7). | 3 | 2013–2018 |
Nardone v. United States
green
2 sentences2022Washington’s attenuation doctrine, by contrast, operates on the same principles as proximate cause in tort law: the connection between the unlawful 11 No. 37375-4-III State v. Thompson governmental action and the discovery of the evidence is “‘so attenuated as to dissipate the taint.’” Mayfield, 192 Wn.2d at 892 (quoting Nardone v. United States, 308 U.S. 338, 341 , 60 S. Ct. 266 , 84 L. 2019While the independent source doctrine applies only where the evidence was obtained through a source completely independent of official misconduct, the attenuation doctrine was applied where "[s]ophisticated argument may prove a causal connection between" official misconduct and the discovery of evidence, but the connection was "so attenuated as to dissipate the taint." Id. | 2 | 2019–2022 |
State v. Ladson
green
2 sentences2019State v. Young, 123 Wn.2d 173, 179 , 867 P.2d 593 (1994). 8 State v. Ladson, 138 Wn.2d 343, 359 , 979 P.2d 833 (1999). 9 State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711, 717 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005). 19 Gaines, 154 Wn.2d at 718 . -7- No. 76716-0 -1/8 affidavit and (2) the State would have sought a warrant regardless of the illegal search.11 Pietz contends that the State must satisfy the prongs of the independent source doctrine by clear and convincing evidence. 2011Our strict exclusionary rule "saves article 1, section 7 from becoming a meaningless promise." *267 Ladson, 138 Wash.2d at 359 , 979 P.2d 833 (citation omitted). ¶ 72 For example, our Supreme Court has recognized the independent source doctrine as a valid exception to the exclusionary rule but rejected the inevitable discovery doctrine. | 2 | 2011–2019 |
State v. Ladson
green
2 sentences2019State v. Young, 123 Wn.2d 173, 179 , 867 P.2d 593 (1994). 8 State v. Ladson, 138 Wn.2d 343, 359 , 979 P.2d 833 (1999). 9 State v. Gaines, 154 Wn.2d 711, 717 , 116 P.3d 993 (2005). 19 Gaines, 154 Wn.2d at 718 . -7- No. 76716-0 -1/8 affidavit and (2) the State would have sought a warrant regardless of the illegal search.11 Pietz contends that the State must satisfy the prongs of the independent source doctrine by clear and convincing evidence. 2011Our strict exclusionary rule "saves article 1, section 7 from becoming a meaningless promise." *267 Ladson, 138 Wash.2d at 359 , 979 P.2d 833 (citation omitted). ¶ 72 For example, our Supreme Court has recognized the independent source doctrine as a valid exception to the exclusionary rule but rejected the inevitable discovery doctrine. | 2 | 2011–2019 |
State v. Eserjose
green
2 sentences2016Under the independent source doctrine, "evidence obtained pursuant to a warrant is admissible, even though the warrant recites information tainted by an unconstitutional search, provided the warrant contains enough untainted information to establish probable cause." State v. Eseriose, 171 Wn.2d 907, 928 , 259 P.3d 172 (2011) (citing Gaines, 154Wn.2d at 719)). 2011Eserjose, 171 Wash.2d at 927-28 , 259 P.3d 172 . [17] Although Murray addresses Fourth Amendment violations and the federal exclusionary rule, our Supreme Court has recognized Murray as "controlling authority" when analyzing the independent source doctrine under an article 1, section 7 violation. | 2 | 2011–2016 |
State v. Eserjose
green
2 sentences2016Under the independent source doctrine, "evidence obtained pursuant to a warrant is admissible, even though the warrant recites information tainted by an unconstitutional search, provided the warrant contains enough untainted information to establish probable cause." State v. Eseriose, 171 Wn.2d 907, 928 , 259 P.3d 172 (2011) (citing Gaines, 154Wn.2d at 719)). 2011Eserjose, 171 Wash.2d at 927-28 , 259 P.3d 172 . [17] Although Murray addresses Fourth Amendment violations and the federal exclusionary rule, our Supreme Court has recognized Murray as "controlling authority" when analyzing the independent source doctrine under an article 1, section 7 violation. | 2 | 2011–2016 |
| Camicia v. Howard S. Wright Construction Co. green | 2 | 2014–2014 |
| State v. Smith green | 2 | 2013–2014 |
| Thun v. City of Bonney Lake neutral | 2 | 2013–2014 |
| State v. Hecht neutral | 2 | 2013–2014 |
| United States v. Gene Allen Herrold green | 2 | 2013–2013 |
| United States v. Kelly Jo May and Lee Terry green | 2 | 2013–2013 |
| State v. Snapp green | 2 | 2013–2013 |
| State v. Levy green | 2 | 2011–2011 |
| State v. Spotted Elk green | 2 | 2011–2011 |
| State v. Levy green | 2 | 2011–2011 |
| State v. Boland green | 2 | 2009–2009 |
| State v. Williams green | 2 | 2007–2007 |
| State v. Williams green | 2 | 2007–2007 |
| State v. Jones green | 2 | 2007–2007 |
| State v. Ferrier green | 2 | 2002–2002 |
| State v. Ferrier green | 2 | 2002–2002 |
| Dunlap v. Wayne green | 2 | 1988–1989 |
| State v. Hill green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| In Re the Detention of LaBelle green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| State v. Holland green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| Hegwine v. Longview Fibre Co., Inc. green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| Hegwine v. Longview Fibre Co. green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| State v. Higgins green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| Casterline v. Roberts green | 1 | 2021–2021 |
| State v. Redmond neutral | 1 | 2019–2019 |
| In re the Personal Restraint of Dalluge green | 1 | 2019–2019 |
| State v. Grier green | 1 | 2019–2019 |
Counted by distinct opinions that both name this issue and are annotated to the section; sections every opinion cites regardless of issue are not filtered here, so read the counts against the total above.
Opinions by the citing court's state. A doctrine retained in one state and abandoned in another shows up here as a year span that stalls.